Story with Diane Wyzga

What is the significance and impact of creating concise, structured storytelling through a podcast format?

A podcaster reflects on turning personal experiences into powerful 60-second stories.

The more that we compress what we want to say, how we want to say it into a shorter and shorter time structure, we have to be clear, concise, and cogent.

~ Diane Wyzga (6:45)

The discussion centers on the creative process and philosophy behind crafting 60-second podcast episodes. Diane explains how her journey began through a workshop led by Seth Godin, which emphasized immediate action and developing a podcast concept within strict time constraints. The format’s brevity requires clear, concise storytelling, which she uses to create meaningful content that resonates with listeners. The structure evolves into a system where episodes are themed by the day of the week, balancing lighthearted and reflective topics.

Themes of tension, vulnerability, and connection through storytelling are woven throughout the conversation. Diane emphasizes the importance of creating a space for listeners to reflect, engage, and see themselves in the narratives. She explores how constraints foster creativity and how storytelling, even in a brief format, can inspire change, provide comfort, and encourage introspection. The conversation concludes with reflections on the value of genuine dialogue and how it serves as a bridge for understanding.

Takeaways

The impact of constraints in storytelling — Compressing time and structure sharpens clarity and creativity in podcasting.

The evolution of a storytelling system — Structured themes for daily episodes enhance both creativity and consistency.

The role of vulnerability in content creation — Authenticity deepens the listener’s engagement and personal connection.

The universality of challenges — Sharing personal experiences fosters understanding and shared humanity.

The dynamic interplay of tension and structure — Tension, like in storytelling or material engineering, strengthens narratives and creates growth opportunities.

The importance of story as conversation — Storytelling bridges divides and connects people beyond transactional communication.

Resources

Seth Godin’s Podcasting Workshop â€” A workshop focused on empowering participants to create impactful podcasts.

Forward Link Platform â€” A platform mentioned for sharing podcast episodes during development.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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What did he trust in?

When Odysseus was shipwrecked and cast ashore … what did he trust in? Not in reputation, or riches, or office, but in his own strength, that is to say, in his judgements about what things are in our power and what are not. For these judgements alone are what make us free, make us immune from hinderance, raise the head of the humiliated, and make them look into the faces of the rich with unaverted eyes, and into the faces of tyrants.

~ Epictetus

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Elevation

But it was the problem that mattered. It was the customer’s problem that needed fixing, not Charlie’s spiritual state. He took an ordinary thing and elevated it. That’s all. That’s all… In the real world, this is how it’s done.

~ David Essman from, «https://www.gapingvoid.com/blog/2021/06/09/take-something-ordinary-and-elevate-it/»

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Suppose I wanted to elevate the art of conversation. What don’t I know about conversations? (That’s not snark, but an actual question for myself.) Who is good at conversations? Who do the masses think is good, and who is objectively good? Actually, what if the art of conversation is just fine— fully elevated so to speak? What if I wanted to elevate others’ conversations to the highest level of the art? How would I do that? Would it be enough to sit in a tower and learn everything there is to know about the art? No, I think I would have to learn as much as possible and go out into the marketplace, (that’s a Diogenes reference,) and have as many conversations as possible. What if I tried to make each conversation intentional— pay attention to it, and try to learn something from each one? What would happen if you intentionally did that thousands of times?

I don’t know. Let’s find out.

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Listening with Kato McNickle

What insights and strategies from personal experiences can enhance podcast creation, audience engagement, and content sharing?

This conversation explores how passion transforms podcasting into a tool for connection and creative expression.

You begin with looking at the podcasts that you do love, listen to, or what is the kind of audio you enjoy consuming. But the next thing you need to do is start defining the difference between: okay I was in love with what it had to say, versus how did it bring me through and get me to understand what it had to say. So you’re looking at the mechanism.

~ Kato McNickle (13:20)

This conversation highlights how personal experiences, particularly in theater and storytelling, shape an individual’s approach to podcasting. Topics discussed include the interplay of soundscapes, rhythm, and emotional resonance in creating a compelling audio experience. Kato shares insights from directing films and plays, connecting those learnings to podcast production.

Another key theme is the importance of championing others and building genuine connections through shared interests. This approach is contrasted with traditional marketing methods, emphasizing the value of interaction and authenticity in promoting podcasts. Practical advice is offered for analyzing and improving podcast structures by examining admired examples and borrowing elements for creative reinterpretation.

Takeaways

Championing others — Sharing others’ work authentically builds credibility and fosters deeper connections.

Analyzing structure — Dissecting and understanding the mechanisms of admired podcasts improves storytelling and technical skills.

Theater and podcasting parallels — Skills in soundscapes, rhythm, and stage presence translate effectively into podcast production.

Emotional resonance — Podcasts benefit from an intentional focus on creating an intimate and emotionally engaging experience for the listener.

Content and connection — Prioritizing why a podcast exists and the connection it creates with listeners outweighs technical perfection.

Resources

Gaping Void â€” Mentioned as an example of how people share creative social objects to spark conversations.

The History of English Podcast â€” Referenced as an example of a passion project inspiring podcasting creativity.

Star Wars storytelling structure â€” Referenced as a framework for adapting classic narratives to new formats.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Exploration with Pedro Bessa

What role do movement and Parkour play in personal growth and self-discovery?

The journey from childhood play to structured Parkour reveals profound insights into discipline and self-development.

In order to be free, you have to do what you feel is the right thing, not just what you want to do the whole time.

~ Pedro Bessa (21:28)

The conversation examines the transition from casual exploration to structured training in Parkour, highlighting the importance of discipline, values, and self-discovery. Pedro shares how childhood experiences with activities like BMX and skateboarding laid a foundation for Parkour. He emphasizes that movement is not merely about physical achievement but about cultivating a mindset that fosters lifelong exploration and learning.

The discussion touches on coaching and self-training, focusing on the role of community and individual accountability. Pedro reflects on the impact of values like honesty and persistence in self-directed training. Additionally, he discusses how traveling and experiencing new environments and cultures enhances both physical practice and personal growth.

Takeaways

The transition from challenges to training — The evolution of movement from playful challenges to structured Parkour.

The philosophy of exploration — Applying lessons from movement to various areas of life.

The importance of values — How honesty and discipline shape self-coaching and personal growth.

The role of community — How collaborative feedback and shared experiences enhance training.

The impact of travel — How experiencing different cultures and environments fosters unique physical and mental growth.

The magic of shared play — How engaging with others in Parkour creates meaningful connections.

Discipline as freedom — How structured practice enables more profound personal liberation.

Resources

ADAPT Qualifications â€” The coaching program discussed, emphasizing structure in Parkour training.

Parkour Generations â€” An organization mentioned as a source of learning and coaching in the discipline.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Possibilities with Nicole Warner

How can the concept of possibility be explored and applied to creativity, podcasting, and personal growth?

The interplay between flexibility and structure shapes meaningful projects.

What’s the one thing that you can do right now where you are with what you have? Because that you can actually do something about.

~ Nicole Warner (20:06)

The conversation centers on the concept of possibility and its relationship to creativity, podcasting, and personal development. Nicole and Craig discuss the balance between flexibility and structure in creative work, emphasizing the need to embrace uncertainty while maintaining clear boundaries. They highlight how possibilities can inspire growth but also require constraints to channel energy effectively.

Practical strategies such as showing up consistently, imposing restrictions, and focusing on what can be done immediately are explored. The discussion also touches on broader themes, including personal accountability, the human element in creative endeavors, and the risks of over-optimization. Insights are shared about the role of curiosity, boundaries, and intentional action in realizing creative potential.

Takeaways

Creativity and structure — Creativity flourishes when possibilities are shaped by boundaries.

The importance of showing up — Consistent effort is essential for uncovering new opportunities and directions.

Balancing flexibility and planning — Plans serve as starting points, but flexibility is needed to adapt and grow.

Overcoming overwhelm — Restricting possibilities can transform an abundance of ideas into manageable steps.

Actionable possibilities — Progress is made by focusing on what can be done immediately with available resources.

The human element — Removing humanity from processes diminishes creativity and connection.

Saying no — Setting boundaries helps prioritize meaningful projects and avoid dilution.

Simplicity and optimization — Over-optimization can lead to sterility, hindering creativity and growth.

Resources

German with Nicole â€” Nicole Warner’s platform for teaching German language and culture.

Electric Fetus â€” A record store in Minneapolis mentioned as a notable location.

Seth Godin’s blog â€” Referenced in the conversation for insights on creativity and optimization.

Short Circuit movie â€” Cited for its perspective on AI and its limitations.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Presence with Tania Del Rio

How do personal experiences, mindfulness, and language intersect in creating meaningful storytelling and connection through creative projects?

Discovering awe in everyday life transforms ordinary walks into memorable narratives.

I look for moments that are going to make me feel something and I pay attention. So I bring the senses fully— like I’m listening, I’m observing, I’m feeling the temperature of the air. Whatever it is. And then there’s always a moment that I then capture and I write about it.

~ Tania Del Rio (1:43)

The conversation explores how mindfulness and sensory experiences inspire creativity, particularly through the creation of audio stories based on outdoor observations. The process involves engaging deeply with the environment, capturing moments of awe, and translating them into concise, impactful narratives. This practice has not only enhanced the creator’s appreciation of Paris but also fostered a unique way to connect with others.

Language also plays a pivotal role, influencing the pace and nature of creative expression. Discussing the challenges and rewards of teaching and creating in multiple languages highlights how language affects cognition and communication. The conversation reflects on the value of practice and patience in mastering new skills, whether it’s writing, recording, or engaging with a different culture.

Takeaways

Creating meaningful stories — Immersing oneself in sensory experiences can lead to authentic and compelling storytelling.

Language and creativity — Operating in different languages impacts the way ideas are formed and communicated.

The importance of practice — Developing habits, like daily recording, strengthens creative muscles and fosters consistency.

Mindful observation — Paying close attention to details in nature or urban settings enhances appreciation and presence.

Challenges of teaching — Adapting to teach in another language requires patience and perseverance but can open new opportunities.

Cultural connection — Learning a local language enriches cultural experiences and builds stronger connections.

Resources

Postcards from Paris Podcast â€” Tania’s podcast capturing moments of mindfulness and sensory immersion in Paris.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Sometime in the future

There are three deaths. The first is when the body ceases to function. The second is when the body is consigned to the grave. The third is that moment, sometime in the future, when your name is spoken for the last time.

~ David Eagleman

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Shaken from what?

Ought you not first to have acquired something by the use of reason, and then to have made that secure? But you are studying to be able to prove things in argument. Prove what, though? You are studying so as not to be shaken by fallacious arguments. Shaken from what? Show me first what you are watching over, what you are measuring, or what you are weighing; and then, accordingly, show me your balance.

~ Epictetus

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Bitter is better

Remember that anything really worth doing is probably hard work, and will absolutely require you to do things you don’t currently do, which will feel uncomfortable for a while. This is a “hard truth” we must all face. If it was easy, everyone would already be doing it.

~ Shane Parrish from, At Some Point, You Have to Eat The Broccoli

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Somewhere along the way, I learned to like vegetables. I mean, really like vegetables. I know you think I said, “give me a lot of vegetables,” but what I actually said was, “give me all the vegetables.” Brussel Sprouts? Do you remember when they used to be bitter? …because, yes, they really did breed them differently in recent decades to be less bitter. Artichoke—not just the hearts, but the whole thing… yes, I know how to make them, and keep your hands out of the way when I eat them. But a good one is hard to find these days as they’ve been bred to be more “palatable.” Peppers, yes of all sorts. Tomatos, I ate them all. Beans, kale, spinach, turnips, cucumbers… steamed, raw, tossed as summer salad (aka, with EVO and red wine vinegar)… nom nom nom nom.

A little over a year ago, I settled on my personal mission: Creating better conversations to spread understanding and compassion. To make progress on that, I need to eat my vegetables. And—as discussed—I love me some vegetables. I’m currently, slowly working on adjusting my life to be focused on two things: Recording kewl conversations with people, and writing; writing about those kewl conversations. It’s not that I currently have responsibilities to eschew, but rather there are still too many off-focus things I do which I’m working to eliminate.

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Fan-boy mode, on

Neither our economy nor the demands of a life well-lived dictate that everyone should aspire to be sitting alone at a desk in rural Narashino, crafting literature to the light of the rising sun. My growing concern, however, is that such real commitment to thought has become too rare.

~ Cal Newport from, Haruki Murakami and the Scarcity of Serious Thought – Cal Newport

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I’ve read every post on Newport’s blog. I have both Deep Work and So Good They Can’t Ignore You, and Digital Minimalism is in my “priority” subset of my wishlist of books. (Yes, I am aware that I have problems.) But I’ll out myself: I’ve not read either of the two Newport books that I already have, and see no point brining the third into the mix until I do. But whining about my privileged-problem of having too many books, isn’t my theme here. Rather, I want to think about why is it “that such real commitment to thought has become too rare.” Because I totally agree that such is so.

(That’s all. I’m thinking about it, and now so are you.)

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Unchangeable

As if all was safe and well with you, you have dwelt upon the final area of study, which has to do with unchangeability, so that you can make yourself unchangeable—in what? Your cowardice, means-spiritedness, admiration for the rich, your failure to achieve what you desire, and your lack of success in avoiding what you want to avoid. These are the things that you have been laboring to secure.

~ Epictetus

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Helpful

I often wish that I could just post a link with my scratch notes; if I did, this post would have been up two hours ago. But you come here to read full sentences, so it is the least I can provide. However, it is not that simple: while I am certainly not famous, I am lucky to have an audience. It is important for me to remember that I cannot write solely for myself, since other people might read it. No matter whether it is a longer article or just a quick link, I don’t want to further the spread of something that I believe to be false or unhelpful.

~ Nick Heer from, The Digital Garden – Pixel Envy

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For me, the purpose of writing for my blog is to help me clarify my thinking; It’s a big part of my ongoing process of reflection. That said, I’m well aware that others are reading, and whenever possible I would like what I write to also be helpful to my readers. At the very least, I’d like it to not be unhelpful.

I’m pragmatic. I’ve had that hurled at me as a criticism on more than one occasion. But—hey, pragmatism—it’s important to understand why someone is being pragmatic. I’m pragmatic because I want to be understood, and I want to understand others. That’s as opposed to being pragmatic as a defensive maneuver. To be fair—look, more pragmatism—I enjoy deploying pragmatism for humor, but I’d like to think it’s self-evident when I do so.

Take for example the common adage, “You get what you pay for.” It’s understood that it’s not literally true in all cases; one can get swindled by an unscrupulous seller, but that’s not the point of the adage. The point, obviously, is that if you’re a cheap-skate and try to save too much, you end up getting crap. The pragmatist in me loves to point out that we can fix that adage so that it is literally true always, and makes clear the point. A more convoluted grammar serves better, “You don’t get what you don’t pay for.”

That’s my go-to explanation for pragmatism. Which of those versions is better? The first has simplicity and clarity, but it buries the lead and requires actual thought to get at the kernel of wisdom. The second puts the wisdom on the surface; but it’s a convoluted double-negative that makes one sound like a grammarian.

…at which point whomever I’m discussing pragmatism with is starting into the deep end of the thinking pool, and I point out: Bingo. The specific answer in this discussion doesn’t matter. You’ve now been, at least briefly in this dicussion, a pragmatist. Don’t we now understand each other better?

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Sharing with Susanne Mueller

How does podcasting serve as a platform to connect deeply with people and uncover their unique stories?

Unearthing extraordinary personal tales through the lens of community and endurance.

She does 10 Ironman [races] in ten days, a little crazy… and I said to her: Look some people go to work from 9 to 5. You’re basically doing an Ironman from 9 to 5. And she’s like: Yeah, you get it.

~ Susanne Mueller (17:28)

The conversation explores the intersection of running and podcasting as ways to connect with people and share compelling stories. It begins by examining how shared activities like running foster community, especially during challenging times. Susanne highlights how training in groups and braving harsh conditions cultivates bonds that transcend the sport itself. This shared resilience is paralleled in podcasting, where personal stories are unearthed, often revealing unexpected insights about people’s lives and journeys.

The discussion also emphasizes the role of storytelling in podcasting, focusing on how unique questions can draw out previously untold stories. Susanne shares anecdotes about interviewing runners and other guests, noting that people often reveal personal details not usually shared in formal or public settings. The power of podcasting lies in its ability to humanize individuals, even those perceived as highly accomplished, and to create moments of genuine connection and surprise.

Takeaways

Podcasting as a tool — It serves as a platform to connect deeply with others and share impactful stories.

Running and community — Shared endurance activities create strong, lasting bonds among participants.

Personal storytelling — Uncovering unexpected and deeply personal anecdotes through thoughtful questions.

Language and expression — The importance of being concise and clear as a podcaster.

Humanizing the accomplished — Podcasting reveals the relatable, everyday aspects of even the most accomplished individuals.

Unique interview styles — Asking unconventional questions can lead to remarkable moments of insight.

Resources

Susanne Mueller’s web site

New York RoadRunners â€” A community and organization tied to the running culture discussed.

Lipstick Leadership â€” Susanne’s book illustrating diverse leadership styles.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Strive with your reason

Furthermore, when your imagination gnaws at you (for that is something outside your control), strive against it with your reason, subjugate it, do not allow it to gain strength, nor to advance to the next stage of picturing what it wants as it wants.

~ Epictetus

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Take a moment

Wherever you go, there you are. But I think Marcus Aurelius’s two-millenia-old version is better. The tranquility is to be found within.

What I like—if you ask me, which I know you didn’t—about going to the beach is the very fact that precious few of my normal behaviors are even possible. The photo above was taken just after sunrise, (that’s the Atlantic Ocean,) during a micro-getaway to a beach campsite. It was hot; cool enough to sleep though. It was vault toilets and cold showers in semi-enclosed stalls with no electricity, (I mean no lighting for the “bathrooms” and “showers”,) and there were plenty of biting bugs in the campsite and on the beach. Everything takes longer when camping; “bathing” and changing and preparing meals and even trying to do a little bit of morning mediation and reading. There’s nothing to do either. You can sit at the camp site or sit at the beach or go for a walk.

And all of that is exactly the point. Is exactly the thing I like about going to the beach. When I go there, there I am and there is nothing else.

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Connections between it all

Digital gardening is the work we do to make an organic mess less messy and more useful. It’s certainly not a new idea but I think it’s something that is becoming a major problem for may digital spelunkers. We’ve never had a greater variety of information inboxes and it has never been easier to capture new information into these boxes. The problem now is with recalling the information and making connections between it all.

~ Gabriel Weatherhead from, On Digital Gardening, Blogs, and Knowledge

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Weatherhead goes on to list several specific problems, but not much in the way of solutions. And that’s perfectly fine; Having a clearly defined problem, (or two, or three,) demonstrates a lot of thinking and a lot of hard work has been done in search of a solution. We even have an adage for that: A problem well-defined is half-solved. He mentions in passing that a lot of his bookmarking, (saving, marking for later reading, staring, adding to lists, etc.,) is done as an aspiration. Becoming aware of this was a key turning point for me.

At some point, someone will carry the last of my worldly possessions… and deposit them in a dumpster. At some point, all of my digital files will be given a shrug and summarily deleted. I currently aspire to stop collecting things “for later” and instead use, read, compose, share, create and inspire now.

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