Podtalk

Presence with Mary Chan

3 Days Ago

What does it take to use your voice with intention and create meaningful connection through audio?

This conversation reveals how intentional voice, genuine connection, and thoughtful preparation shape meaningful podcast experiences.

It’s not about good or bad. Loud is good. Projecting is good. Soft is bad. It’s having that variety in your voice and knowing when to use it. That knowing piece just comes from daily practice and listening back. That comes from my radio school days. I mean, most people are like, ‘Oh, I published the episode. I don’t want to listen to it anymore.’ But if you want to learn and grow, you need to listen. Subscribe to your own show. Listen to it.

~ Mary Chan (36:30)

Craig and Mary explore the tension between creative ambition and strategic clarity in podcasting, focusing on the decision to adopt video. Mary cautions against following trends without first understanding one’s audience, arguing that the additional effort required for quality video production is often unjustified. Craig reflects on his own temptation to “just hit record” and appreciates the freedom that comes with embracing audio-only formats. Together, they highlight the importance of intentionality—knowing where listeners actually engage and tailoring production efforts accordingly.

Beyond format choices, the conversation centers on voice as a tool for authentic connection. Mary explains how vocal tone, pacing, and emotional presence create intimacy with listeners, especially in solo episodes. Craig notes how podcasting builds lasting relationships, both with guests and unseen listeners, and how even small gestures of feedback can be deeply rewarding. They agree that successful podcasting requires self-awareness, clear purpose, and a commitment to serving the listener’s experience above all.

Takeaways

The pressure to add video — Many podcasters feel compelled to incorporate video due to platform trends, but this may not serve their actual audience.

The complexity of video production — Creating video content requires more than just hitting record; elements like lighting, editing, and set design significantly impact quality.

Knowing the audience — Understanding where listeners consume content is crucial before adopting new formats like video or written newsletters.

The power of voice — Voice carries meaning beyond words, and thoughtful delivery can make content more engaging and memorable.

Podcasting as an intimate medium — Listeners form deep connections with hosts, often feeling like they personally know them.

Self-doubt in content creation — Many podcasters second-guess themselves, wondering if they should be doing more or following new trends.

Authenticity in podcasting — A podcast host should sound like themselves, not an artificial version, to build a genuine connection with the audience.

The importance of show preparation — Planning a conversation’s direction helps create a natural flow while allowing for spontaneous moments.

Building relationships in podcasting — Long-term connections with other podcasters can lead to opportunities, collaborations, and shared growth.

Podcast listener engagement — Many hosts wish for more feedback from their audience, but this requires encouraging interaction and setting the expectation.

The difference between podcasting and cinematographic content — High-production video podcasts differ significantly from casual video recordings of audio-based shows.

The hidden work in podcasting — Even for audio-only podcasts, preparation, editing, and audience engagement require significant effort.

Resources

The Podcaster’s Guide to a Visible Voice — Mary Chan’s podcast exploring the power of voice in podcasting.

https://www.organizedsound.ca — Mary’s podcasting company emphasizing podcast strategy, editing and voice coaching.

Permission to Speak — Samara Bay’s book about changing perceptions of power through voice.

Permission to Speak to Redefine the Sound of Power with Samara Bay — Mary’s podcast episode with Samara Bay.

Off Camera with Sam Jones — A documentary-style interview series mentioned, which features long-form conversations with creatives and includes high production-value video.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Voices with Leticia Latino van Splunteren

March 22, 2024

What are the key insights and lessons shared during a conversation with a podcast creator about sustaining creativity, connection, and the joy of podcasting?

Leticia Latino van Splunteren joins Craig Constantine to explore the relentless pursuit of podcasting excellence and the art of staying true to one’s essence.

The one thing people have always told me— […] I connect people. My friends, even from high school and elementary school when I go back home, […] I’m the one planning, making everybody see each other. I’ve always been that person.

~ Leticia Latino 10:05

Leticia Latino and Craig discuss the essence and challenges of podcasting. Leticia shares her journey of producing over 250 episodes of her podcast “Back2Basics,” highlighting the dedication and passion required to maintain such a consistent output. She emphasizes the importance of creating a sustainable podcasting routine that aligns with one’s lifestyle and commitments.

I think a lot of people get discouraged by seeing, sometimes the numbers and the statistics, and I don’t look at them. I don’t look at them because I look at the map of where it has been downloaded. And when I see it has been on every single continent [that’s] encouraging and empowering for me because I’ve reached a place that I will have never dreamt about reaching.

~ Leticia Latino 35:20

Their discussion shows how podcasting, while a solitary endeavor at times, blossoms into a fulfilling venture through connections made and stories shared, showcasing the intrinsic value and joy derived from engaging deeply with guests and audiences alike.

The conversation also explores guest engagement and the sometimes meticulous process behind selecting and interacting with guests. Leticia offers insights into her approach to guest outreach, and how she tries to ensure a balance between introducing new voices and maintaining a steady flow of content. She discusses the strategic use of solo episodes as a method to keep the podcast alive during guest droughts, inadvertently discovering the audience’s appreciation for her personal insights.

Finally, the conversation touches on the impact of the global pandemic on podcasting dynamics. Leticia notes a shift towards introspection among podcasters and listeners alike, suggesting a deeper engagement with content that resonates on a personal level, even today as the world again accelerates post-pandemic.

Takeaways

Podcasting as a passion project — discusses the deep commitment and joy derived from creating content that connects with people on a personal level.

The importance of a sustainable routine — highlights the need for podcasters to develop a manageable and consistent process for producing episodes to avoid burnout.

Guest engagement strategies — explores methods for maintaining a steady flow of interesting guests and ensuring the podcast remains dynamic and engaging.

Solo episodes as a strategic tool — mentions how solo episodes can serve as a valuable asset to keep the podcast going and provide personal insights when guests are scarce.

The impact of the COVID-19 pandemic — reflects on how the pandemic has influenced podcasters and listeners, fostering introspection and a deeper connection with content.

The role of consistency in podcasting — emphasizes the significance of releasing episodes regularly to build and maintain an audience.

Content over perfection — advises podcasters to focus on delivering content consistently rather than getting caught up in the pursuit of perfection.

The global reach of podcasting — celebrates the ability of podcasts to connect with listeners worldwide, bringing diverse perspectives and stories to a global audience.

The value of process and preparation — underscores the necessity of having a clear process for recording, editing, and publishing podcast episodes to facilitate creativity and efficiency.

Resources

Back2Basics — Leticia Latino’s podcast, focusing on reconnecting with the essence of one’s personal and professional life. The show explores what makes people tick, featuring conversations with diverse guests.

https://www.leticialatino.com/ — Her web site with much more information, including her blog and media links.

Women In Business — The book Leticia Latino collaborated on, mentioned in this episode.

Akimbo Podcasting Course — The original course and platform no longer exist. But the material from the course was expanded and updated by one of the course’s coaches to become, The Podcasting Workshop

PodMatch — Mentioned by Leticia Latino as a platform designed to match podcast hosts with potential guests, facilitating easier content creation and guest sourcing for podcasters.

Show Your Work and The Practice — Two books Craig wishes he’d read at the start of his podcasting journey: Austin Kleon’s Show Your Work!, a book encouraging creators to share their process, not just their products, and Seth Godin’s The Practice, a book that dives into the process of doing creative work, emphasizing the importance of showing up, doing the work, and shipping it out.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Transition with Alasdair Plambeck

March 19, 2024

Transition – with Alasdair Plambeck

What is the value of embracing transitional or “in-between” spaces in life and creativity, and how can these moments shape personal growth and future endeavors?

Explore the journey of creative transformation and the profound shifts that come from embracing the spaces between, as Alasdair Plambeck navigates the end of a significant chapter to discover what lies beyond the familiar boundaries of identity and purpose.

I knew there was a general sense. It’s like, “I’m meant for something more than this,” and I think a lot of people feel that when they’re in what I would call the over-culture. I was very much steeped in— trained for— prepared for— programmed by, all that kind of thing. I work with a lot of people who are maybe in that, but transitioning out, or wanting to transition out, or just maybe feeling that.

~ Alasdair Plambeck, 26:35

Alasdair Plambeck joins Craig Constantine to discuss the nuanced journey of personal and creative transformation. Alasdair shares his thoughtful approach to scheduling, aiming for times that harness his creative energy most effectively. His decisions reflect a deeper stance on being attuned to one’s energy levels and the optimal conditions for creativity and meaningful engagement.

The conversation extends into Alasdair’s personal story, illuminating his shift from feeling confined within the “over-culture” to embarking on a path that resonates with his true self. This transition is sparked by a profound moment of realization while working as a general manager, where success and societal expectations no longer aligned with his well-being and aspirations.

The dialogue also ventures into the realm of podcasting itself, exploring the evolution of Alasdair’s own podcasting journey and the decision to conclude his show after a significant run. This choice underlines a theme of knowing when to let go, to make space for new beginnings and growth. Alasdair reflects on how the podcast served as a medium for connection, self-discovery, and the cultivation of a deeper relationship with his wife through shared creative endeavors and discussions.

Further, Alasdair and Craig touch on the concept of the “in-between” spaces in life — those transformative periods where one is neither here nor there but in a state of becoming. Alasdair views these phases not as voids but as fertile ground for introspection, learning, and eventual emergence into new stages of life and identity. Through these varied topics, the conversation paints a vivid picture of the ongoing journey of self-exploration, the power of mindful changes, and the courage to pursue a life aligned with one’s authentic self.

Takeaways

Mindful scheduling — Reflecting on the importance of choosing the right time for creative endeavors to optimize energy and output.

The journey of transformation — Discussing the pivotal moment of leaving a conventional career path to embark on a more authentic, fulfilling life journey.

The power of letting go — Exploring the decision to end a long-term project and the introspective space it creates for new beginnings and growth.

Podcasting as a medium for connection — Highlighting how podcasting can forge deep relationships and serve as a platform for meaningful conversations.

The significance of the “in-between” — Delving into the transformative potential of life’s transitional phases and the opportunities they present for self-discovery and change.

Creative energy and its optimization — Emphasizing the need to understand and harness one’s creative energy for productive and fulfilling work.

Navigating life’s transitions — The importance of being present in moments of change and the role of pain as a catalyst for growth and self-realization.

Societal expectations versus personal fulfillment — Reflecting on the conflict between societal norms and the pursuit of a life that truly resonates with one’s inner self.

The role of podcasts in exploring complex ideas — Appreciating the unique ability of podcasts to facilitate deep dives into nuanced topics, fostering understanding and exploration.

Resources

The Wild Within — Committed to creating and holding retreats & programs both in person and online to support humans in realizing their potential and rekindle our collective ability to dream up the unfolding and evolution of how we live.

Foundations of Wild Leadership — Information is available by joining Wild Within‘s email list. You can also email info@theWildWithin.org directly or find @thewild_within on Instagram.

Far Out — Alasdair’s and his wife’s multi-year, multi-hundred episode podcast Far Out on Apple Podcasts or Far Out on Spotify.

Alasdair Plambeck — on LinkedIn

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Happiness with Matt Phelan

March 5, 2024

Happiness – with Matt Phelan

What role do emotions and energy play in creating meaningful connections and achieving success in podcasting and life?

Matt Phelan joins Craig Constantine to explain how he manages to measure happiness without making it a pointless metric and to reveal the profound impact of podcasting on personal connections in the world of employee happiness research.

For 10 years I ran a marketing agency, I know how the world works and getting big names on your podcast is really good […] But then I have to remind myself: The whole point of the podcast, for me, was the discovery of really interesting people […]

~ Matt Phelan, 10:05

Matt Phelan and Craig Constantine lean into podcasting, happiness measurement, and the authenticity of dialogues. Their conversation evolves into a reflection on personal and professional paths, transcending the mechanics of podcasting to highlight the emotional bonds it can create.

Matt shares his experience with his podcast, “Happiness and Humans,” stressing the critical view that happiness shouldn’t be reduced to a quantifiable metric, as it risks losing its essence. He reflects on his decade-long journey, concluding that failing to align himself with the natural energy flow resulted in significant time lost on unfruitful endeavors. This insight shapes a broader conversation about the importance of surrendering to the flow, influencing his life philosophy and his approach to the podcast.

Further, Matt explains his decision to spotlight insightful, yet possibly overlooked, stories and research over pursuing notable figures, thereby staying true to his podcast’s aim to uncover novel perspectives on employee happiness and well-being.

Takeaways

The importance of authenticity in podcasting — focusing on meaningful conversations rather than chasing high-profile guests enhances the value of the content.

The futility of rigid metrics for happiness — emphasizing that once happiness becomes a target, it loses its significance as a genuine metric.

Following the natural flow — a decade-long reflection revealed the inefficiency of going against the natural current, underscoring the importance of energy alignment in personal and professional endeavors.

Highlighting lesser-known research — choosing to feature insightful stories and research from individuals who may not be widely recognized can uncover unique perspectives on topics like employee happiness.

Emotional connections through podcasting — conversations that dive into personal feelings and experiences can create stronger, more meaningful connections with the audience.

Challenging conventional success metrics in podcasting — success can be more authentically measured by the impact on individuals and the personal connections formed, rather than just viewership or listener counts.

The transformative power of self-reflection — reviewing past actions and decisions, such as the allocation of time and energy, can lead to more effective and fulfilling future endeavors.

Resources

Happiness and Humans — Matt Phelan’s podcast exploring themes around happiness in the workplace, featuring insights from various professionals and researchers.

The Happiness Index — Matt’s book, discussed in this episode.

The Happiness Index — A platform and company founded by Matt and his partners, offering tools and services to measure employee engagement and happiness.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewphelan/ — Matt on LinkedIn

Freedom to Be Happy — Matt’s first, self-published book based on insights and data gathered from measuring employee happiness in over a hundred countries.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Reflecting with Rob Wreglesworth

February 29, 2024

What strategies and challenges are involved in creating, refining, and promoting a podcast to reach a broader audience while maintaining its authenticity and personal enjoyment for the host?

Rob Wreglesworth and Craig Constantine dive into the challenges of podcasting, focusing on the unexpected joys and hurdles they encounter.

The willingness of of people to lend their time so generously I think is probably the thing that surprised me the most

~ Rob Wreglesworth, 2:11

One of the key topics they explore is the impact of podcasting on connecting with people they previously thought were out of reach. Rob shares his astonishment at how podcasting has opened doors to in-depth conversations with innovators and leaders who would otherwise be inaccessible. This revelation highlights podcasting’s unique power to facilitate meaningful dialogue and share insightful stories with a wider audience.

[Something might be] mundane and old hat to me, but could be really interesting and insightful to a listener. So I’ve gone to the other end of the spectrum now and just decided to ship the whole conversation pretty much unedited—unless there’s any horrendous bits that need cutting out. That’s definitely helped me cut down [time spent].

~ Rob Wreglesworth, 19:25

Another significant part of their conversation revolves around the technical and creative aspects of podcasting, such as editing and the use of AI tools. They discuss the delicate balance between over-editing and maintaining the authenticity of the conversation, emphasizing the importance of letting the natural flow of dialogue guide the editing process.

Additionally, they touch on the innovative use of AI, like ChatGPT, to enhance the podcasting process, from generating episode notes to improving show discoverability. This exploration sheds light on the evolving landscape of podcasting, where technology plays a crucial role in enhancing content quality and listener experience.

Takeaways

The power of podcasting — reveals its unique ability to connect with thought leaders and innovators previously considered unreachable, highlighting the medium’s capacity for in-depth and meaningful conversations.

The surprise of generosity — discusses how individuals are often more willing to share their time and stories on podcasts than expected, offering rich, engaging content for listeners.

Editing for authenticity — explores the balance between editing content for clarity and preserving the natural flow of conversation, emphasizing the importance of authenticity in engaging the audience.

The use of AI in podcasting — touches on innovative ways to utilize AI tools like ChatGPT for enhancing the podcasting process, from generating episode notes to improving show discoverability and listener engagement.

The challenge of verbal ticks — addresses the continuous effort to improve speaking skills, including the identification and reduction of verbal ticks, to ensure clear and effective communication.

The evolution of content strategy — considers the decision-making process behind what content to edit out and what to keep, aiming to deliver the most value to listeners while maintaining interest and relevance.

The impact of episode notes and SEO — evaluates the effectiveness of various methods for enhancing podcast discoverability, including the debated value of publishing full transcripts for SEO purposes.

Resources

Innovate Eco — Rob’s podcast.

https://innovate-eco.com/ — The Innovate Eco web site.

https://www.instagram.com/innovate_eco/ — Rob is @innovate_eco on Instagram.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/robwreg/ — Rob on LinkedIn.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Audio Drama with Scott Edward Smith

February 15, 2024

What are the creative and technical challenges in adapting stage plays into audio dramas, and how does the medium of podcasting influence storytelling approaches?

Lean into the world of audio drama with Scott Edward Smith, as he transforms historical figures into compelling stories, revealing how he reshaped his approach to storytelling to bring theater to the radio.

As a writer, as a producer, and quite often as the director, I’m taking material that is meant to be seen. And being told you have to make this work in audio—nobody’s going to see what you think— and having to transform… it wasn’t story, it was words. So that the words were more specific. […] It changed how I wrote and also how I spoke, because I had to learn this medium, which gives you no visuals. You have nothing to work with. You just can’t say the things that you do in a play, or a movie or, a television show.

~ Scott Edward Smith (4:20)

Scott Edward Smith and Craig Constantine dig into the world of audio drama and its resurgence in the era of COVID-19. Scott shares his journey from writing for television, movies, and theater to embracing audio dramas due to the pandemic’s impact on traditional media outlets. He highlights how it forced him into the realm of audio storytelling, transforming his approach to narratives and character development.

With historical figures as his subjects, Scott crafts one-person plays that bring these personalities to life, emphasizing the shift from visual to auditory storytelling. This transition, he notes, required a nuanced understanding of how to convey stories solely through sound, making every word and effect crucial in painting vivid pictures for the audience.

Scott discusses several of his works, including audio dramas about Wallace Simpson, Marilyn Monroe, and James Dean, explaining how each project adapted to the audio format’s unique demands. He reflects on the creative process, from the initial concept to the detailed execution, integrating sound effects and music to enhance the listener’s experience.

The conversation also touches on the technical aspects of producing audio dramas, such as segmenting stories for listener convenience and the strategic use of sound to evoke specific settings and emotions. Through these discussions, Scott illustrates the power of audio drama to captivate and engage audiences, offering a theater-like experience through the intimate medium of podcasting.

Takeaways

Adapting to new mediums—how a seasoned writer transitions from traditional stage and screenwriting to audio dramas due to the constraints posed by the COVID-19 pandemic.

The power of sound in storytelling—exploring the use of audio effects and music to create vivid, immersive experiences in the absence of visual cues.

Evolution of narrative techniques—reflecting on how the necessity to focus purely on audio has refined writing and directing approaches, emphasizing the importance of every word and sound.

Future of audio dramas—speculating on the ongoing role and potential growth of audio dramas in the broader landscape of entertainment and storytelling.

Historical figures as subjects—the creative process behind transforming the lives of iconic personalities into compelling one-person audio dramas.

Technical aspects of audio production—discussing the challenges and strategies involved in segmenting stories for an audio format, catering to listener habits and preferences.

Resources

Intimate Fame Podcast — An audio drama discussed in this episode, focusing on the stories of historical figures of Wallace Simpson, Marilyn Monroe, and James Dean.

Edinburgh Festival — Mentioned in the context of one of the audio dramas having been performed there, the Edinburgh Festival is a collective term for several arts and cultural festivals that take place in Edinburgh, Scotland, every summer.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Curious with Suzi Nou

February 8, 2024

Curious – with Suzi Nou

What influences the approaches and perspectives of podcast creators as they navigate both technical and personal aspects of their craft?

Suzi Nou joins Craig to discuss how passion and curiosity—for podcasting and anesthesiology—intertwine, revealing the depths of medical podcasting and the art of engaging conversations.

There is this breadth of what people recall— what people know. Medicine has advanced, and they might be stuck in their practice that they were doing five, ten years ago, with that technique because it works for them. It works really well. And I don’t want to say it’s a bad technique, but there’s newer techniques coming through, and those new techniques work really well in the hands of those people learning them and practicing them regularly.

~ Suzi Nou, 7:10

Suzi Nou and Craig Constantine meander through the intricacies of medical podcasting, the evolution of an anesthesiologist’s career, and the impact of podcasting on personal and professional growth. Suzi shares her experiences as the president of the Australian Society of Anesthetists during the pandemic, as a podcast host keen on exploring the vast landscape of medical advancements and techniques. She reflects on how podcasting served as an efficient tool to disseminate vital information during the early days of COVID-19, addressing the urgent queries of anesthesiologists nationwide.

I think as long as I am intrigued and curious about anesthetists in Australia, there’ll be something in there that makes me want to do it.

~ Suzi Nou, 26:20

The conversation also explores the creative challenges and opportunities presented by podcasting. Suzi discusses her vision for her podcast as a platform to showcase the depth of talent within the Australian anesthesiology community. Beyond the technicalities of medicine, they touch on the concept of “podfade” and the continuous quest for relevance and engagement in the podcasting space. Suzi expresses curiosity about the future directions of her podcasting endeavors, including a potential sabbatical in Europe and the concept of podcasting 2.0, which intrigues her due to its technical complexities.

Takeaways

The power of podcasting — how it serves as an efficient means to disseminate information rapidly.

Impact on personal and professional growth — podcasting as a tool for learning and improvement, enhancing questioning skills, and better engagement with trainees and patients.

Challenges of staying relevant — the concept of “podfade” and the continuous quest for engaging content and connection with the audience in the ever-evolving podcast landscape.

Creative side projects in podcasting — the potential for branching out into other areas of interest, such as podcasts aimed at children or exploring completely different topics, to keep the creative juices flowing.

The significance of networking — the importance of expanding one’s network through podcasting, which can facilitate connections and provide resources across the globe.

Personal anecdotes as learning tools — using personal experiences and stories to make complex topics more relatable and understandable for a wider audience, including non-specialists.

Resources

Suzi Nou — on LinkedIn

Australian Anaesthesia — Suzi Nou’s podcast.

ASA — The Australian Society of Anaesthetists: A professional association that supports and connects anesthesiologists in Australia.

Podcast 2.0 — An initiative aimed at evolving podcasting through new features and technologies.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Impact with Danny Bauer

February 1, 2024

Impact – with Danny Bauer

What are the key considerations for creating an engaging and impactful podcast, particularly regarding audience connection, episode length, and content strategy?

Danny Bauer reveals the strategic pivot to shorter podcast episodes, fueled by listener analytics, to redefine engagement in digital storytelling.

[The takeaway from the analytics was] people weren’t along with me. The super consumers— the super listeners— the super ruckus–makers weren’t. That’s what I call my audience. But at the end of the day, it’s a gift—it’s in service to the listener. Even though I would prefer to go deeper and longer, if people aren’t really consuming that, and growing from it, and enjoying that, then what’s the point? In some sense, I’m wasting my time.

~ Danny Bauer, 3:19

Danny Bauer is keen on optimizing his podcast episodes by tailoring them to better match the preferences of his audience, aiming for increased engagement through format adjustments. He highlights the significance of clearly identifying and naming one’s audience to ensure the content resonates deeply and meets their specific needs.

In life, you’re either a mercenary or you’re a missionary. Mercenaries are going to fight. They’re going to be scarcity minded. Craig has to lose for Danny to win, right. They’re going to compete in the same area, which is called podcasting. Or you’re a missionary and you’re generous, you’re abundant, you do the work even if you’re getting paid or even for free, right. And that’s what I’m doing with school leaders. With the free coaching, it’s because I’m a missionary. It’s about advancing the idea, the category, what we’re putting out and changing the world for the better, versus something that’s just for me.

~ Danny Bauer, 29:50

In his work supporting educators, Danny is committed to offering resources and strategies that bolster leadership skills, fostering a supportive network that empowers school leaders to navigate the complexities of their roles with confidence and innovation.

Takeaways

Optimization of episode length — the strategic shift to shorter podcast episodes, revealing that listener analytics show higher engagement for episodes under 20 minutes, leading to a content structure pivot.

Naming the audience — the importance of explicitly naming the audience to tailor the podcast’s content more effectively, enhancing connection and relevance.

Supporting educators — commitment to aiding educators, focusing on leadership development and community building to address the challenges faced by school leaders.

Resources

Better Leaders, Better Schools — Danny’s web site with information for school leaders, links to his podcast, blog and more.

Danny Bauer on LinkedIn.

Naming our Audiences — Inspired by this conversation with Danny, I started a conversation around how to name our audiences. ~Craig

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Tension with Kira Higgs

January 28, 2024

Tension – with Kira Higgs

What drives individuals to create and engage with projects like podcasting, and how do they navigate the challenges and tensions inherent in the creative process to successfully execute their vision?

Kira Higgs joins Craig to discuss her podcast, “The Void Project,” where her exploration of creativity, learning, and growth unfolds through her self-imposed challenge of producing a limited, 10-episode series.

[…] that’s how the name for me personally, came to be, “The Void Project.” Oh, I’m avoiding this dark void. I’m avoiding this place, I’m afraid of being in. But then I find out, oh my God there’s nothing to be afraid of here. It’s fine. […] It looks like a void but it isn’t.

~ Kira Higgs, 13:54

Kira Higgs and Craig Constantine explore facets of podcasting and personal growth. Kira, discussing “The Void Project,” her 10-episode podcast series, reveals her journey into the world of podcasting. She emphasizes how this venture is a means for her to explore and express her creativity. The project is not just about producing content but is deeply intertwined with her learning process in handling technical aspects like recording and editing. This learning curve is a significant theme, as Kira candidly shares her experiences and challenges in acquiring these new skills.

A central topic that Kira touches upon is the concept of innate desire and creativity. She articulates her belief that human beings are naturally inclined to create and that this impulse should be embraced and nurtured. Her perspective is that true creative endeavors stem from a genuine, innate desire rather than external motivations like societal pressures or competition. This insight forms the basis of her approach to podcasting and creative work in general.

The conversation also touches on the metaphorical significance of the name ‘The Void Project.’ Kira explains that the name symbolizes her confrontation with and exploration of her fears and uncertainties. She describes the project as a journey of facing the ‘void’ – the unknown or feared aspects of her creative and personal life. This exploration leads to surprising revelations and personal growth, as she finds that what initially appeared daunting is, in fact, manageable and not as intimidating as perceived. The podcast becomes a platform for Kira to express these realizations and share her thought process during the pandemic, offering a unique blend of personal narrative and creative expression.

Takeaways

Significance of learning and growth — highlights the process of acquiring new skills in podcasting, such as recording and editing, and the challenges faced along the way.

Facing fears and uncertainties — discusses the metaphorical meaning behind ‘The Void Project,’ representing the confrontation with and exploration of personal fears and uncertainties.

Discovery and personal insights — the project serves as a medium for self-discovery, revealing unexpected insights and leading to personal growth.

Impact of external motivations — touches on the influence of societal pressures and competition, and how these factors differ from true, innate creative desires.

The process of creative expression — underscores the importance of expressing one’s unique voice and experiences through creative projects like podcasting.

Resources

Robert Fritz — mentioned as a friend and mentor to Kira, author of the book, The Path of Least Resistance for Artists (The Structure and Spirit of the Creative Process), focusing on the dynamics of creativity and creation.

https://kirahiggs.com — Kira Higgs’ web site.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Constraints – with Julie Angel

January 24, 2024

Constraints – with Julie Angel

What perspectives and approaches can podcast creators adopt from fields like anthropology, filmmaking, and sound design to improve their craft?

Julie Angel describes herself as multi-passionate. She’s a filmmaker, author, podcaster, movement coach and breath-work expert. Julie joins Craig to share her insights on creativity and the transformative power of movement and breathing.

[…] you got to get out of your own way. And for me the sign of a really great conversation, or recording, is at the end of it I’m like— I always ask myself: Was that really good, or like, ‘meh’. And if it was really good, then it’s just like, ‘it was really good!’ Then if someone says, ‘what did you talk about?’ I’m not sure. I don’t know. I was just in it. […] My kind of deconstruction is how did I feel at the end of it. And that’s it.

~ Julie Angel (20:40)

Julie Angel, a filmmaker and parkour coach, describes the intricacies of her creative process and the challenges she faces in her work. She emphasizes the importance of feedback in creative pursuits, advocating for seeking critical perspectives from those who know and love her. This approach, she argues, is vital for maintaining objectivity and ensuring continuous growth in her craft.

Through the conversation, Julie reflects on the nature of creativity, highlighting the paradox of freedom in artistic expression. She recounts experiences where limitless options in filmmaking, contrary to expectations, proved to be daunting rather than liberating. This leads to a broader discussion about the necessity of constraints in fostering creativity, where she points out that limitations often spur innovation and novel approaches to storytelling and artistic expression.

Julie also explores the concept of flow state, particularly in the context of engaging dialogues and creative work. She describes this state as a measure of the quality of her interactions and creative output, where being deeply immersed in the process is a key indicator of success. Her insights extend to the realm of parkour coaching, where she draws parallels between physical movement and mental creativity. Julie underscores the transformative power of parkour, not just as a physical discipline, but as a medium for personal growth and self-expression.

She shares anecdotes and lessons from her coaching experiences, illustrating how parkour transcends physical boundaries and becomes a metaphor for overcoming life’s obstacles. This intertwining of physical and creative agility forms a central theme of the conversation, shedding light on Julie’s multifaceted perspective on life and art.

Takeaways

Creative Feedback — The importance of seeking critical feedback from trusted individuals to maintain objectivity and foster growth.

Limitations in Creativity — How constraints can paradoxically enhance creativity, that having too many options can be overwhelming and less productive for a creative mind.

Flow State in Conversations — Flow state as a key indicator of a successful conversation or recording, where being deeply immersed signifies quality and fulfillment.

Parkour as a Metaphor — How the discipline serves not just as a physical activity but as a metaphor for overcoming life’s challenges, emphasizing personal growth and resilience.

Artistic Freedom versus Structure — The challenges of having complete creative freedom, illustrating how structured limitations can actually spur more innovative and meaningful artistic work.

Interplay of Physical and Mental Agility — The connection between physical movement in parkour and mental creativity, underscoring the parallel skills required in both realms.

Transformative Power of Movement — How movement, specifically through parkour, can be transformative, offering insights into its impact on personal development and self-expression.

Resources

JulieAngel.com — Julie’s website with various free resources, including a movement snacks guide and a crawling quadrupedal movement guide, along with her films, podcasts, and coaching information.

The Curious Midlife — Julie Angel’s podcast available as audio wherever you listen, and on YouTube with video.

Movement of 3 — Julie’s film made with three of her friends: “A film I made with my friends Annty Marais- parkour coach, mover, athlete; Fizz Hood – movement artist, stunt woman and parkour coach, & Shirley Darlington parkour coach with Parkour Generations. Women see. Women Do. Women Move.”

Breaking the Jump.” — Julie’s book about Parkour: “But more than a sport that most jaw-dropped onlookers can hardly comprehend, Parkour is an exploration of movement and a return to our body’s natural ability to run, jump, hang and move with fluidity.”

Ciné Parkour — “A cinematic and theoretical contribution to the understanding of the practice of parkour.”

British filmmaker Shane Meadows is mentioned in relation to his work and approach to filmmaking.

The 5 Obstructions is noted as a documentary featuring filmmaker Lars von Trier.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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60 Seconds with Mandell Conway

October 23, 2023

60 Seconds – with Mandell Conway

What role does storytelling play in driving creativity and engagement in personal projects like podcasting and daily writing?

Mandell Conway and Craig Constantine discuss the art of generosity in podcasting, daily writing challenges, and the power of pushing through creative discomfort.

I’m building the material up. I’m building the reps. I’m getting better and then I can go and say, ‘okay this is the part that I want to keep.’ I’ll share this today. I’ll share this tomorrow. …or I’ll share this next year. But just get in that habit of doing the emotional labor. I think I want to be able to push through that. Versus just saying I would spend 20 minutes and that drained me— [then] ‘yeah, I’m out of here.’ What would happen if I just sat in it for a little longer.

~ Mandell Conway 24:55

Mandell Conway and Craig Constantine explore the concepts of giving and generosity. Mandell speaks about the importance of daily writing, acknowledging the emotional labor involved and discussing the benefits of creating a content backlog for challenging days. They emphasize that the primary goal should be writing, with publishing (in whatever medium) as a natural outcome of this consistent practice. Mandell also offers some perspective on the creative process, emphasizing the commitment required to share impactful stories with the world.

Takeaways

Daily Commitments — the importance of a daily writing or podcasting habit, consistency is key.

Emotional Challenges — writing can be emotionally taxing, but rather than avoiding it, sitting with the discomfort can lead to profound and emotional content. By accepting difficult moments in writing, individuals can develop resilience and produce better work.

Importance of Conversations — the value of discussions between like-minded individuals. Sharing ideas and experiences can spark new insights and innovative approaches to content creation and creative work.

Resources

Giving is Like — Mandell Conway’s web site with his daily email, The Daily Tithe.

Mandell Conway: Giving Within Community — Mandell Conway with Anne Roche on Roche’s podcast, How I Live Through This.

@mandellconway — Mandell Conway on Instagram.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Presence with Pete Machalek

October 18, 2023

Presence – with Pete Machalek

What are the benefits and challenges of incorporating video content into professional communication and personal branding efforts?

Pete Machalek discusses presence, in-person, and in both audio and video mediums.

I do think there is something about the challenge of presenting to a camera that a lot of folks can benefit from practicing. […] It’s something that I recommend challenging yourself about, if your presence is something you want to get better at. There’s a visual component to it. [But] it’s certainly not all visual.

~ Pete Machalek 24:42

Pete Machalek and Craig Constantine explore some of the intricacies of presenting in both audio and video formats. They discuss the advantages of audio-only presentation, noting it limits what the audience can judge you upon. Some video presentation strategies and formats are discussed, including the challenge of accommodating different visual perspectives as seen by viewers. Pete also shares the evolution of his content creation, explaining experiences and improvements in his vlogging journey.

Takeaways

Medium Matters — The choice between audio and video content impacts how your audience perceives you. Audio content limits judgment to voice and content, while video adds a visual dimension, demanding attention to body language and other visual aspects.

Practice Makes Perfect — Improvement in content creation comes with practice and persistence. Your initial attempts may not be perfect, but experience refines your skills over time.

Embrace Challenges — Stepping into new formats, such as video, challenges your comfort zone and offers opportunities for growth in personal and professional presence.

Resources

Sage Presence — Empowering people to communicate their value in all the venues of today’s world.

Vlog with Pete Machalek and his partners.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Structure with Moe Poplar

October 17, 2023

Structure – with Moe Poplar

What are the essential considerations for independent podcasters to enhance their show’s quality, define its purpose, and create a meaningful connection with their audience?

Moe Poplar shares his expertise and insights on format, structure, and connecting with your audience.

[…] what service are we providing to our audience? I think if you know what goes into your show— if your show has a format— You also can start building a level of trust with your listener so that they understand your agreement. Because nobody wants to listen to the podcast that says this is what we’re gonna talk about, this is what we’re gonna do, this is what we’re not gonna do… You know? We’re looking for people like us, who say the thing in a way that we would say it, so we can understand it.

~ Moe Poplar 24:38

Moe Poplar brings his experience in producing and editing podcasts, as well as his various podcast projects, to this conversation. He highlights the importance of defining a clear format and structure for podcasts, emphasizing the role of a format in establishing a contract with the audience. Moe also touches on the significance of the host-listener relationship, where setting expectations and creating a rhythm in the podcast can enhance the overall listening experience.

Takeaways

Podcast Format and Structure — The importance of defining a clear format and structure for podcasts. Having a structured approach establishes a contract with the listeners, setting clear expectations for what to expect in the show.

Host-Listener Relationship — Building a strong host-listener relationship and the significance of creating a rhythm in the show, using music cues, and setting a comfortable tone.

Production and Editing — Experience in podcast production and editing underscores the value of a well-organized and thought-out podcast.

Resources

Podcasts Hella XP, Bunn Amigos and The Class of 1989

Moe Poplar’s web site, Ashy Feet

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Connection with Staci Boden

October 16, 2023

Connection – with Staci Boden

What role does following energy play in navigating personal growth, leadership, and relationships in daily life?

Staci Boden shares her journey from helping individuals turn dead ends into doorways to guiding leaders and change makers on their transformative paths through the art of following energy.

The question is, how do we navigate daily life. That’s really what following energy is about— it’s meant to be a practice to support individuals in learning how to navigate their daily lives while feeling connected with themselves.

~ Staci Boden ~18:28

An expert in somatic practices and a generous guide for those who’ve appeared in her life, Staci discusses her journey and the evolution of her podcast. Staci talks about her book, “Turning Dead Ends Into Doorways” and how her podcast transformed, becoming the “Following Energy” podcast. She emphasizes the importance of grounding oneself and paying attention to energy, which can lead to personal growth and a more compassionate world. Staci describes her role as a guide and change maker, supporting individuals and empowering them to make an impact, emphasizing the importance of taking life step by step.

Takeaways

Following Energy and Grounding — The concept of “following energy” as a practical way to navigate life. The importance of grounding oneself, slowing down, and paying attention to the energy in the present moment.

Evolution of her Podcast — Evolving to focus on following energy and birth. This shift aligns with the need for a new paradigm in the world and reflects her commitment to supporting individuals in their personal growth journeys.

Empowering Change Makers — Her role as a generous guide supporting individuals to make an impact.

Resources

Staci Boden’s web site, https://dancing-tree.com

Her book, Turning Dead Ends Into Doorways

Her podcast website or search for “Following Energy Podcast” wherever you listen.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Why with Dave Closson

October 5, 2023

Why – with Dave Closson

What processes and mindsets can individuals adopt to clarify their purpose, improve decision-making, and enhance their effectiveness in both personal and professional contexts?

Decision fatigue and productivity, discipline as a path to freedom, and self-reflection.

Better and better and more efficient and more effective, that’s great. It’s about continuous improvement. But I’ve discovered that it’s not just about getting better at what you do, it’s also about getting smarter about how you do it. That’s where the real freedom comes from. It’s like having a well-oiled machine that runs smoothly, and you don’t have to constantly tinker with it.

~ Dave Closson around 17:16

Craig Constantine and Dave Closson begin with finding one’s “why” and how it drives one’s actions and decisions. They stress that articulating a clear why-statement is key to staying focused and avoiding distractions. The conversation shifts to the role of processes and structure, with both speakers emphasizing that they can be liberating rather than constricting, as they help eliminate decision fatigue. Dave introduces the idea of having meaningful conversations with oneself as a way to navigate complex thoughts and emotions effectively.

Takeaways

The Significance of a Clear “Why” — The importance of having a well-defined purpose or “why” in various aspects of life.

Processes and Structures for Efficiency — Contrary to the notion that processes and structures stifle creativity, their role in providing freedom and reducing decision fatigue is highlighted.

Structured Self-Conversations — Dave introduces the concept of structured self-conversations, a valuable tool for introspection and problem-solving.

Continuous Improvement — The conversation touches on the idea that striving for continuous improvement is not just about getting better at what you do but also getting smarter about how you do it.

Balancing Structure and Flexibility — While processes and structures are valuable, it’s essential to strike a balance between structure and flexibility.

Importance of Restorative Practices — The conversation briefly touches on the significance of restorative practices.

Resources

For more about Dave Closson, see https://daveclosson.com

Simon Sinek’s Start with Why

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Vibrant with Alison Coates

September 29, 2023

Vibrant – with Alison Coates

What is the transformative impact of community, environment, and personal identity on creative expression and connection in a podcasting journey?

Embracing change, making unconventional choices, and the courage it takes to be your authentic self in a world filled with expectations.

It feels like those connections are now beginning to come together. I was reading a newsletter from the [local forest group.] It must have been published two or three years ago. And when I first read it, I thought: “that’s interesting.” And then I read it recently, and every article and person mentioned in there, I know… I now know who they are, I can put a face to those people, and I know more of their story and who they are. So there’s something brewing about the people in this community.

~ Alison (around 13:30)

Craig Constantine and Alison Coates begin with Alison’s breathtaking view of the Kyles of Bute and the ever-changing weather patterns in a remote Scottish village. She shares how the natural beauty of the area has become an integral part of her daily life and how her move to the village has shaped her perspectives. They touch on the evolving dynamics between locals and newcomers in the community, and Alison’s potential (budding?) interest in capturing the stories of the people she has come to know. Finally, Alison reflects on her youngest child’s non-binary journey, emphasizing the importance of normalizing discussions about personal identity.

Takeaways

Embrace Change — openness to new experiences and perspectives leads to personal growth and a deeper connection with community.

Normalize Identity Conversations — willingness to discuss a child’s identity and a community’s reactions demonstrates the importance of normalizing conversations about personal identity.

Impact of Authenticity — by being true to oneself, individuals can find happiness and inspire others to do the same.

Build Meaningful Connections — interactions highlight the value of building meaningful connections.

Community Resilience — observations of changing dynamics demonstrate the resilience of communities in the face of change.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Clarity with Ron Decter

July 30, 2023

What are the challenges and opportunities of creating a meaningful podcast that effectively communicates its intended vision and resonates with an audience?

Craig Constantine and Ron Decter discuss the importance of moving towards dialogue rather than a typical Q&A format, making podcasts more engaging.

Ron’s podcast, Simplest State, invites you to explore the mysteries of higher consciousness and the potential of the human mind. They also discuss the struggle of describing one’s show in a few words, highlighting the importance of clarity and coherence in conveying its essence to potential listeners.

Simplest State is for anyone who’s ever felt that there’s something more to life than the mundane, that there’s something beyond the daily routine of life or someone who’s ever felt that the power of the mind is something much more than we have harnessed so far.

~ Ron Decter (10:48)

Takeaways

Embracing Dialogue in Podcasting — Shifting away from a journalistic question-and-answer style can add depth and authenticity

Exploring Profound Topics — Creating podcasts with deep and thought-provoking themes can attract a niche audience seeking intellectual and spiritual exploration.

The Importance of Defining a Podcast’s Essence — The significance of clearly defining a podcast’s essence in concise language.

Resources

Simplest State — Ron’s podcast can be found wherever you normally listen.

Make Noise — Eric Nuzum’s book mentioned in this conversation.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Tradecraft with Karen Morgan

June 8, 2023

How do creative professionals refine their craft and maintain energy and perspective while balancing preparation, performance, and feedback in their work?

Explore the need for creative breaks and stepping away from a project, as Karen Morgan and Craig Constantine discuss the value of gaining fresh perspectives and reevaluating their work. They explore the world of stand-up comedy and beyond. Encouraging others to take the plunge, they emphasize the significance of initiating creative projects and letting go of technical worries.

In their engaging conversation, Karen and Craig explore various aspects of the stand-up comedy world. Touching on performance styles, Karen discusses her personal approach, revealing her preference for leaving the microphone in the stand. By doing so, she frees up her hands to incorporate gestures and act out certain elements of her stories, adding a visual component to her comedic performance.

You just have to talk into the microphone. You know, the rest of it is logistics and technology which you can figure out, but the part about talking in the microphone or interviewing people, you just gotta do it and then the technology kind of goes away.

~ Karen Morgan ~21’40”

They also discuss some of the challenges faced by new comics. Karen reflects on her own beginnings in stand-up comedy, recounting her participation in a comedy workshop twenty years ago. She fondly recalls how the instructor immediately pushed the students to stand up and talk into the microphone on the first night, instilling a sense of courage and determination. Drawing parallels to her own podcasting journey, Karen highlights the initial intimidation she felt towards the equipment and technical aspects. However, she emphasizes that ultimately, the most important part is simply talking into the microphone or conducting interviews, and the rest can be figured out along the way.

At some point, you need to take a little break, go for a walk, get some fresh air, then come back and you’ll see it differently or you’ll hear it differently. Sometimes after a show, I won’t listen to my stuff until the next day because I need a break from it. Like, ‘Oh, I can’t physically listen to this with a studious mind. Clearly, right now I’m too tired.’

~ Karen Morgan, ~23’15”

The conversation gets into the importance of taking breaks and gaining fresh perspectives. Karen draws parallels between her experiences in graphic design and comedy writing, explaining how stepping away from a creative project can bring new clarity. She emphasizes the importance of physically removing oneself from the work environment, taking a walk, or engaging in other activities before returning with a fresh mindset.

Craig adds to this notion by sharing his tendency to postpone listening to his recordings, recognizing that exhaustion can hinder the ability to evaluate and appreciate one’s own work objectively. This discussion highlights the importance of self-care and allowing oneself time and space to recharge, ensuring a more effective and insightful creative process.

Take-aways

Individuality in performance — The conversation highlights the diverse approaches that comedians take when performing stand-up comedy. This reminds us that there is no one-size-fits-all approach to comedy (or podcasting!), and performers have the freedom to develop their unique styles and methods to engage the audience.

The importance of mentorship — Karen mentions how she mentors a new comic who is just starting out in stand-up comedy. This emphasizes the value of mentorship and guidance in the comedy industry. Having an experienced comedian to offer advice, share insights, and provide support can be incredibly beneficial for newcomers, helping them navigate the challenges and refine their craft.

Taking breaks for a fresh perspective — Both Karen and Craig discuss the need to step away from their creative projects at times. They mention the importance of taking breaks, going for walks, or engaging in other activities to gain a fresh perspective and avoid getting too immersed in the details. This highlights the creative process and the significance of giving oneself space and time to recharge, allowing for new ideas and perspectives to emerge.

Resources

karenmorgan.com – Karen Morgan’s main web site.

The video sketch of Every Generation Explained that we mention in the episode is on her videos page.

The Purple Bike – Karen’s podcast.

@KarenMorganComedy – Karen’s social media handle on Instagram etc.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Production with Jason Tieri

May 24, 2023

What are the primary creative and technical challenges faced in podcast production, as discussed by experienced podcasters in terms of editing, scheduling, client management, and creative mindset?

Explore the interaction of audio and video, as Craig and Jason discuss the crucial importance of nonverbal cues, the frustrations of unreliable Wi-Fi, and the irreplaceable value of face-to-face interactions in the world of podcasting.

I had that [imposter syndrome] with my clients too… They can’t start their first episode because they don’t like the sound of their voice.

~ Jason Tieri

In a captivating conversation, hosts Craig and Jason dive deep into the realm of podcasting, sharing their personal reflections and experiences. They explore the reasons behind their aversion to listening to their own work, discovering the mix of imposter syndrome and the fear of uncovering mistakes.

I’m always surprised at actually how good [my episodes] are.

~ Craig Constantine

I think I just don’t want to listen to [my own work] for a third time.

~ Jason Tieri

With a humorous touch, they discuss the perils of vocal quirks and mouth noises, shedding light on how some hosts may unintentionally overlook these aspects. They also touch upon the significance of video in podcasting, highlighting the benefits of nonverbal cues and the challenges of unreliable Wi-Fi. Ultimately, their discussion serves as a reminder of the constant learning and growth that podcasting entails.

Takeaways

Imposter Syndrome — Both Craig and Jason discuss experiencing imposter syndrome, highlighting a common struggle among podcasters and content creators. This psychological phenomenon adds a layer of relatability and vulnerability to their conversation.

Importance of Video — Jason emphasizes the importance of video in podcasting, not only for visual cues but also for better communication and understanding between hosts and guests. This insight sheds light on the multifaceted nature of podcasting and the role that different mediums can play in enhancing the overall experience.

Personal Growth — Jason mentions going through therapy during the course of his podcast, “Threads Podcast: Life Unfiltered.” This indicates that podcasting can be a transformative journey, leading to personal growth and self-reflection for hosts and guests alike.

Balancing Self-Criticism and Appreciation — Craig expresses both surprise at the quality of his podcast episodes and a persistent self-critical mindset. This internal struggle highlights the delicate balance between recognizing one’s accomplishments and constantly striving for improvement, which many podcasters can relate to.

Technical Challenges — The conversation briefly touches upon the challenges of internet connectivity and bandwidth, particularly when recording interviews with guests from different locations. This showcases the practical difficulties that podcasters face and the importance of stable internet connections for a seamless recording experience.

Resources

https://www.heyguysmediagroup.com: This is Jason’s production company, Hey Guys Media Group.

https://gigeconomyshow.com: This is The Gig Economy Podcast, which focuses on gig work and covers topics related to platforms like Uber, DoorDash, Lyft, and Instacart.

https://threadspodcast.com: Threads Podcast: Life Unfiltered is the show Jason recently completed.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Open with Tom Huntington

April 5, 2023

What are the key principles and ideas behind the “Open and Curious” project, and how do they apply to fostering meaningful conversations and personal growth?

Explore how curiosity, complexity, and personal growth intersect in the journey of crafting conversations and podcasts.

But a lot of us get this memo—who didn’t get it early in life—begin to get it in middle age. I’ve never had this thought before, but the middle age thing… what [our culture calls] the midlife crisis. Well the midlife crisis is really getting […] I’m not supposed to keep trying to be perfect.

~ Tom Huntington (5:11)

Craig and Tom engage in a thoughtful conversation about curiosity, control, and personal growth, touching on how these ideas intersect with podcasting and everyday life. Tom expresses his excitement about Craig’s project, Open and Curious, seeing it as a principle of life and an approach to understanding healthy human nature. They discuss the tension between trying to control outcomes, especially in conversations and creative work, and allowing curiosity to guide the process. Craig reflects on how developing curiosity can help podcasters move conversations in meaningful directions without forcing control, while Tom emphasizes the importance of being open without slipping into chaos.

Another theme is the challenge of balance in life and learning. Tom shares his personal experience of trying to manage too many ideas, leading to a feeling of being out of balance, and describes the importance of self-awareness in recognizing the problem as internal rather than external. They also touch on midlife revelations, where people begin questioning the pursuit of perfection and the pressures of society. Tom’s reflections on mental health and how openness affects both individual growth and relationships add depth to the discussion, bringing in insights from neuroscience and attachment theory.

Takeaways

The power of curiosity — developing curiosity can guide conversations and lead to meaningful outcomes without needing control.

The balance between openness and chaos — being too open can lead to chaos, while too much rigidity can stifle growth and learning.

The challenge of midlife revelations — midlife often brings a realization that the pursuit of perfection is futile, prompting a shift in perspective.

Learning from self-awareness — recognizing that certain recurring problems are internal, rather than blaming external factors, is key to personal growth.

Curiosity in podcasting — allowing curiosity to shape the direction of conversations can lead to natural, engaging dialogues, especially in creative projects.

The role of self-compassion — focusing on what was done well, rather than dwelling on past mistakes, fosters a healthier mindset.

Managing too many ideas — having too many ideas can lead to overwhelm, and it’s important to prioritize and recognize when to set things aside.

Mental health and openness — staying open to learning and new experiences is crucial for mental health, but must be balanced to avoid overwhelming chaos.

Attachment theory in growth — understanding how relationships and brain science intersect offers valuable insight into personal development and mental health.

Resources

The Developing Mind — a book by Dr. Daniel J. Siegel that explores how relationships and the brain interact to shape who we are, drawing on neuroscience and attachment theory.

Open and Curious — a project focusing on curiosity, conversation, and personal growth, discussed extensively throughout the conversation.

Podcaster Community — a community for independent podcasters where ideas like Open and Curious are shared and discussed.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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