Lindsey Kleinberg: Experiencing Nature, Creating Connection, and Healing

How can individuals integrate nature, education, art, and personal healing into creating positive change for themselves and their communities?

Lindsey Kleinberg advocates for nature play in the most important way; practicing what she preaches. She shares her experiences raising her family through alternative and nature education, and why it’s important to her. Lindsey describes the benefits home gardening, self-care, and how she approaches creating change. She discusses books, blogging, art, and what she hopes to achieve in her community.

When you’re really working on a personal journey, if you are making those steps for positive impact and change, people around you, whether or not they will admit, they start to feel those things.

~ Lindsey Kleinberg (44:22)

Lindsey Kleinberg is an educator, artist, avid gardener, and nature play advocate. She is the founder of the Finding Place LV, a Reggio-inspired micro school whose mission is to reconnect kids with nature. In addition to her Masters degree, Lindsey is certified  in many areas, including Nature-based outdoor education and School Garden Coordinator.

The conversation explores how integrating nature, art, and alternative education can foster healing and inspire positive change. Discussing the importance of organic gardening, Lindsey emphasizes the transformative effects of hands-on, sustainable practices in raising children. These practices encourage empathy, environmental stewardship, and a deep connection to the natural world.

Topics also touch on the role of art in healing, with examples of how creative activities—ranging from murals to gardening—can reconnect individuals to themselves and their communities. Lindsey advocates for simple actions, such as planting seeds or creating small garden spaces, to initiate broader personal and societal shifts. A recurring theme is the necessity of self-care to sustain these efforts, ensuring individuals remain grounded and effective in their pursuits.

Takeaways

Planting seeds of change — Small, intentional actions like gardening can have a profound impact on individuals and communities.

Self-care as a foundation — Addressing personal well-being is critical to sustaining efforts for broader change.

Nature as a teacher — Hands-on experiences in nature foster empathy, creativity, and resilience in children and adults.

Art and creativity — Engaging in art is a powerful tool for personal and communal healing.

The ripple effect of change — Personal growth and intentional practices can influence and inspire those around you.

Raising environmentally conscious children — Early exposure to sustainable practices helps develop lifelong habits of stewardship and care.

Balancing digital presence — While online tools can spread awareness, maintaining human connections remains essential.

Holistic education models — Integrating principles from Waldorf and Reggio Emilia philosophies creates dynamic, experiential learning environments.

Resources

Lindsey is the founder of The Finding Place Lehigh Valley

Lindsey’s recent blog post, searching for ‘home’.

Rodale Institute — A leader in regenerative organic agriculture and education.

Julian Is a Mermaid — A children’s book advocating for self-expression and creativity.

Kutztown University’s Program in Regenerative Organic Agriculture — Collaboration with the Rodale Institute to provide a unique degree program.

Waldorf: Environment as teacher, play, storytelling, natural learning

Reggio-Emilio, community learning, art, intergenerational

Let’s Play Books and Now and Then books

Book most often given away: Julián is a Mermaid, Jessica Love

Largest book: Hobbit/Lord of the Rings combo book, Welcome to the Museum series

Book you most want, but can’t get: Iwigara

Interactive art, Juxtahub

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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With imagination

My father knew that if I was compelled to clothe myself it would make me think and search and find ways of earning the money to do it. And furthermore he knew that I would learn this important fact: We do not meet the demands of life with money. But with the imagination, forethought, plans and energy that earn the money.

~ James Cash Penney

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Vitamin D

This might be the range most of us should expect to be in at an intake of 10,000 IU/d. This is the equivalent to the body’s own natural production through sun exposure.

There are other factors that may affect levels. For example, being overweight tends to reduce them. Excess cortisol production, from stress, may also reduce them.

~ Ned Kock from, What is a reasonable vitamin D level?

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…and some days this turns into a bit of a medical blog.

This is mostly a blog post for me, so the next time I search for Vitamin D I can find this article. When Vitamin D supplementation comes up, and I mention that I take 10,000 IU daily… people ask why? …and I cannot remember why. This article from 2010 is why; 10,000 IU is about how much vitamin D my body would make if I lived somewhere sunny and I was a life guard.

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Successful

If you want to be successful in business, (in life, actually,) you have to create more than you consume. Your goal should be to create value for everyone you interact with. Any business that doesn’t create value for those it touches, even if it appears successful on the surface, isn’t long for this world. It’s on the way out.

~ Jeff Bezos

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Not grinding away

Critically, as Gribbin’s explains, during this period Galileo was also occupied in part by his success in “leading a full and happy life,” in which “he studied literature and poetry, attended the theatre regularly, and continued to play the lute to a high standard.” He was not, in other words, locked up, grinding away in relentless pursuit of results. Yet results are what he did ultimately produce.

~ Cal Newport from, On Pace and Productivity

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Everything wears down, wears out, and wears away. The light that burns twice as bright, lasts half as long. There are cautionary tales about the hedonic treadmill. The tortoise and the hare. The ant versus the oxen; I’ve always liked that aphorism from Lao Tzu.

Let’s grant that the ant walks a great distance, removes debris from the colony, and collects food for 10 ants. Meanwhile, the ox accomplishes nothing. But when he awakes refreshed from his nap, he can plow a field in a few hours. For comparison, how long will it take the ant to plow the field?

I’ve always liked that aphorism from Lao Tzu: It reminds me to always be the dozing Ox.

I am frequently asking myself two questions:

What would world-class look like?

Is this thing I just did world-class?

I may fall short— honestly I think I always fall short of executing world-class. That does not mean I stop asking those questions. That does not mean I stop trying. The mantra is not, “do more!” It’s not, “hurry up!” I am not alone in this thinking:

The constructive evaluation of activities, asset allocations, communications, policies, and procedures against purposes and intended outcomes has become increasingly critical for every organization I know of. The challenges to our companies continue to mount, with pressures coming these days from globalization, competition, technology, shifting markets, erratic economic swings, and raised standards of performance and production, making outcome/action thinking a required twenty-first-century behavior.

“What do you want to have happen in this meeting?” “What is the purpose of this form?” “What would the ideal person for this job be able to do?” “What do we want to accomplish with this software?” These and a multitude of other, similar questions are still sorely lacking in many quarters. There’s plenty of talk in the big meetings that sounds good, but learning to ask, “Why are we doing this?” and “What will it look like when it’s done successfully?” and to apply the answers at the day-to-day, operational level—that will create profound results.

~ David Allen, p272, Getting Things Done circa 1989

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Writing with Lovelace Cook

How can podcasting serve as a transformative tool for personal growth, cultural exploration, and creative reinvention?

Transitioning from memoir to fiction reshapes the creative journey of a writer.

I’m fascinated with the cultural differences, the difference between coming from a patriarchal society where there are arranged marriages to the western culture which is far more permissive.

~ Lovelace Cook (11:22)

The conversation highlights the impact of podcasting as a creative outlet, especially during a time of professional and personal challenges. It explores how podcasting offers a sense of balance, enabling the speaker to engage with writing, creativity, and self-expression. Starting from a marketing background, Lovelace integrates various media elements like a blog, podcast, and website into a cohesive brand identity.

The discussion also touches on cultural exploration, particularly through interviews with Indian-American authors. These interactions shed light on cultural contrasts, such as patriarchal norms and societal transitions, and their influence on writing and storytelling. Lovelace reflects on their evolving podcast journey, sharing insights about personal growth and community support through workshops and collaborative spaces.

Takeaways

Podcasting as a creative balance — It can provide structure and inspiration during challenging times.

Evolving creative projects — Ideas often transform significantly from their original conception.

Cultural storytelling — Examining cultural contrasts deepens understanding and enriches narratives.

Community support — Workshops and collaborative environments can significantly enhance creativity and growth.

Writing as a dynamic process — Switching from memoir to fiction can reshape perspectives and storytelling.

Persistence through challenges — Immigrant experiences often involve overcoming expected failures through determination.

Creative influences — Inspiration can come from unexpected sources, such as Bollywood films.

Gratitude for collaboration — Connections made through creative communities often inspire and sustain.

Resources

Joanna Penn’s podcast — A source of inspiration for starting a podcast.

StoryGrid Publishing — A community and methodology for revising novels.

Akimbo Workshops — Collaborative spaces for learning and creative growth.

Purple Lotus — Veena Rao’s novel that won awards and was featured in the podcast.

Scrivener — A tool used for organizing and revising writing.

Lovelace Cook on LinkedIn

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Growth with Brandon Douglass

What can be learned from reflecting on personal growth and authenticity through the lenses of podcasting and movement?

Exploring the intersection of self-expression and discipline through creative mediums.

Experimentation was key for me. And I think it’s just like, where are you finding the growth?

~ Brandon Douglass (13:04)

This conversation explores the themes of personal growth, authenticity, and creative expression, using podcasting and movement as central mediums. Topics include navigating the gap between public persona and authentic self, the therapeutic and self-reflective aspects of podcasting, and the challenges of overcoming fears both in movement and public speaking. Insights are shared on how the process of self-expression can foster understanding and self-awareness.

The discussion also covers practical aspects of podcasting, such as experimenting with formats, balancing consistency with creativity, and reflecting on past work to identify growth. A significant focus is placed on the importance of intentionality in creative practices and the value of embracing novel approaches to stand out in saturated fields. Movement is presented as both a physical and metaphorical language that enables exploration of different dimensions of self-expression.

Takeaways

The role of fear challenges in fostering personal growth — How embracing fear in movement and creative expression leads to growth.

The gap between public persona and authentic self — Reflections on how podcasting highlights this dynamic.

The therapeutic aspects of podcasting — Using podcasting as a tool for self-reflection and emotional processing.

Experimentation as a path to growth — The value of trying novel approaches to discover new insights.

The interplay of consistency and creativity — Challenging traditional content models to foster innovation.

Movement as a multidimensional language — Exploring different styles and expressions through physical practice.

The value of intentionality — Emphasizing meaningful and deliberate approaches in creative work.

Resources

Height Drop Podcast — A podcast focused on movement, culture, and personal growth.

MMA Hour with Ariel Helwani’s — A podcast format discussed as an inspiration for creative interview styles.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Fire

Stone tools were the first invention, dating back to the beginning of that 2.5-million year period, eventually including simple hand tools such as axes and spears. Maybe a million years later or more, other cavemen learned to control fire, and at some point began cooking their food. They lived in tribes, hunting and foraging together, possibly caring for their weak and infirm, and burying their dead. But other than stone tools, fire, and simple tribal behavior, they had almost nothing else, for most of that 2.5 million years—including at least 100,000 years or more of Homo sapiens existing.

~ Jason Crawford from, The beginning

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I often joke that there are three thing I can stare at endlessly: Fire, moving water, and other people working. And I’ve often expressed my theory that it’s the movement of those first two, (the third we’ll leave aside for today,) which is the key to holding my attention. Fire and water both dance semi-predictably; But not so predictably that the movement is easily ignored. There’s always just enough movement to hold my attention.

When I let the idea settle in that we’ve been staring at small fires—fires which literally represented warmth, safety, food and tribal companionship—for about a million years… Actually, a “million” is hard to apprehend. Let’s say, there are 25 years per generation. We’ve been staring at small fires for about 40,000 generations. No wonder I’m staring at this fire. We’ve evolved to be attracted to fire!

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Privilege of working hard

Take time to discover what you would prefer above all else to make your life work. You may have to do a lot of temporary jobs before you reach the one your ambition places above all others. But if your idea is clear and your determination firm, you will surely reach it. Remember that is it often necessary in life to learn to work hard at many things before you arrive at the very great privilege of working hard at the one thing you prize the most.

~ James Cash Penney

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Rich with Danny van Leeuwen

What strategies and processes can be employed to create meaningful and impactful content across multiple mediums like audio, written material, and personal storytelling?

Transforming audio transcripts into coherent written materials bridges the gap for diverse audiences.

Each episode could be about twenty different things; well that’s just too much for listeners. What are the 2 or 3 that are really important?

~ Danny van Leeuwen (8:23)

The discussion highlights the transformative power of audio storytelling and podcasting, emphasizing how it blends personal experiences and creative expression. Danny shares how podcasting, rooted in a meaningful first episode, has evolved into a robust medium for engaging with diverse audiences. Topics include the emotional depth of storytelling, the challenges of starting with basic tools, and the gradual introduction of elements like music to enhance the audio experience.

The conversation also focuses on the interplay between audio and written mediums. Editing and transcribing episodes into readable formats are described as tools for refining ideas and engaging non-listening audiences. These efforts create reusable content for various purposes while accommodating different learning styles. Reflecting on audience diversity, Danny shares strategies for making episodes resonate across multiple perspectives, from caregivers to healthcare professionals.

Takeaways

The emotional resonance of storytelling — Personal narratives create impactful connections with audiences.

The evolution of podcasting workflows — Beginning with simple setups and improving over time fosters creativity and efficiency.

Balancing breadth and focus — Selecting a few key themes per episode ensures clarity for listeners.

The value of editing — Editing refines the content and deepens the creator’s understanding of the material.

Diverse audience engagement — Crafting content for varied learning styles and professional roles broadens impact.

Leveraging a content library — Written and audio archives provide a foundation for new projects and consulting work.

Personal reflection through editing — Revisiting conversations helps uncover insights and reinforce learning.

Honoring different learning modalities — Adapting content for readers, listeners, and other learning styles respects audience diversity.

The role of collaboration — Peer critique and support enrich podcasting skills and creativity.

Resources

Health Hats Blog and Podcast — Insights on healthcare and personal storytelling.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Writing with Annie Parnell

What unique experiences and challenges have shaped the transition of an indie author into podcasting?

An author navigates the intersection of creativity, technology, and self-promotion through podcasting.

What I realized was I needed to choose myself. Because there wasn’t anybody out there who was going to take a chance on me.

~ Annie Parnell (20:20)

The conversation focuses on the journey of an indie author who specializes in historical romantic suspense with a feminist perspective, as she ventures into podcasting. Annie shares the challenges of creating audiobooks independently and how those obstacles motivated her to adapt her storytelling into a podcast format. Her process is shaped by creative choices, such as incorporating Foley sound effects and dramatizing her narratives while recording.

A significant theme is the balance between self-reliance and community support. Annie discusses her reliance on feedback from a launch team and her willingness to share imperfections in her work. Additionally, she touches on broader cultural topics, such as fostering sisterhood and challenging adversarial narratives through her novels. These values influence both her writing and her decision to make her work more accessible through audio formats.

Takeaways

Creative adaptations — Transforming a book into a podcast allows for a unique storytelling format.

Technological challenges — Podcasting requires managing tools and technology, such as sound effects and recording setups.

Generosity in storytelling — Sharing creative work, even when imperfect, can foster stronger audience connections.

Themes of sisterhood — Promoting collaboration and support among women is central to the author’s work.

Self-reliance in publishing — Choosing to self-publish empowers authors who are overlooked by traditional channels.

Audience engagement — A private Facebook group supports the author’s promotional efforts and gathers feedback.

Learning from mistakes — Accepting and sharing errors is seen as a valuable growth opportunity.

Resources

Annie Parnell’s web site — Includes free short stories and information about her work.

“The Reluctant Countess” — First book in the author’s series, focusing on sisterhood and historical themes.

“Do No Harm” — A short story available as a free download on her website.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Only one !

Writing is hard. (I hear you besmirching my intelligence.) One thing I constantly struggle with is exaggeration and hyperbole. There’s an ancient Bill Cosby skit about Noah trying to collect the animals after building The Ark—”Two mosquitos… male? female?!” and an endless fight with the rabbits, “only two. ONLY TWO!” But this post is about my recent efforts to use only one ‘!’ per post. And you thought that was a stray space there in the title. In this post, I’ve only used one ‘!’ in my punctuation. (Quoted ‘!’ characters I’m accounting to the speaker’s quota. It’s my blog and I’ll make up the rules as I go along, thank-you-very-much.)

One dimension of writing which I find hard is getting the range of expression wide. Quiet in parts, so to speak… err… to write— middle-volume mostly, and just a wee dash of shouting like a Scotsman at level 11. Over on that shouting end, I find that when I’m shift-reaching-for-the-1-key more than once, it’s time to reign that high end in tad. All of which speaks to that old tip about awareness: That which gets measured, gets improved.

Another dimension of writing I struggle with is vocabulary: I get lost reading my dictionary. I get curious about pronunciation—don’t get me started about how dictionaries used to be prescriptive and now are simply lazily being descriptive—and I end up learning for the umpteenth time that hyperbole does not ever rhyme with the little mammal known as a vole. It’s always hyperbole like Brenda-Lee… And, somehow, I thought that the rhymes-with-Brenda-lee pronunciation was a different word that was something like some kind of poetry. Possibly because hyperbole actually does rhyme with poetry? And anyway, on my w-a-y to h-y-, with m-y magnifying glass, I stopped at “Hilbert space” when it caught my e-y-e at the top of another page, as it was said page’s final entry. (What? “n. [David Hilbert] (1911) : a vector space for which a scalar product is defined and in which every Cauchy sequence composed of elements in the space converges to a limit in the space.”) Rats! I forgot what I was talking about.

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Richard Feynman

I hesitated. “I’m sad because you’re going to die.”

“Yeah,” he sighed, “that bugs me sometimes too. But not so much as you think.” And after a few more steps, “When you get as old as I am, you start to realize that you’ve told most of the good stuff you know to other people anyway.”

~ Danny Hillis and Richard Feynman from, Richard Feynman and The Connection Machine – Long Now

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When I’m reading, pull-quotes leap out. It hard to catch the actual process, but what I think happens is that my mind free-associates to something that resonates. I think it’s the strength of the resonance that slams my attention onto the particular bit I’m reading. My mind races off along connections. It is rare that I read something through, and then think: “I should share this,” or, “I should write about this.” It is rare that I have to hunt around for something to quote; Rather it’s the usually metaphorical blinding flash, but sometimes visceral embodied flash, of the pull-quote that tells me I should share it.

After the third blinding flash of, “that’s a pull-quote I have to share,” I stopped counting. I spent an hour with this short read—it’s only a few minutes of reading. Over and over I was struck by some bit, and my mind raced off. Each time, delighted to see where I was going, and with no intention of reigning in my train of thought.

…but this bit that I pull-quoted — I really hesitated. It’s almost a bit of spoiler. I certainly hope you don’t feel like it’s a spoiler. I certainly hope you do go over and read it.

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