John ‘Hedge’ Hall: Scottish viewpoint, cultures, and society

What lessons can parkour teach about culture, education, and personal development?

Craig travels to Edinburgh, Scotland to interview John “Hedge” Hall about the culture of parkour, his ideas on how Scotland views parkour, and his own personal movement journey. Hedge unpacks how different cultures and societies adapt parkour to fit them and the impact of cultural norms on their practice. Touching a bit on coaching, Hedge discusses the impact of educational environments on his students.

Parkour is shaped like the hole that people feel is missing in their society.

~ John ‘Hedge’ Hall (12:00)

The conversation explores the cultural nuances of parkour, showing how it adapts to the societal needs of different regions. It examines the contrasting competitive nature of parkour in the United States versus its integration into daily life and education in Scotland. Insights from anthropological studies are discussed, highlighting how parkour serves as a response to societal gaps, shaped by local culture.

The discussion shifts to pedagogy, with an emphasis on using parkour as a tool for inclusive education. It explains the value of teaching novices through inflexible concepts while gradually introducing flexible ones as they gain experience. Practical examples include introducing parkour into schools to foster natural play and physical development. The speaker also shares personal reflections on self-improvement and the importance of honesty in building habits, tying it to broader life lessons.

Takeaways

Parkour and culture — Parkour adapts to the unique cultural norms of each society, reflecting local values and needs.

Teaching parkour — Effective parkour education emphasizes inclusive practices, starting with simple, structured techniques.

Flexible versus inflexible concepts — Novices learn best with clear, specific instructions, while experts thrive on adaptable, abstract ideas.

Integration into education — Parkour can enhance physical education by encouraging natural play and skill development.

Habit tracking — Monitoring personal behaviors fosters self-awareness and enables lasting habit formation.

Self-improvement — Reflection and honest evaluation are essential for personal growth and effectiveness as a teacher.

Role of play — Play is critical for physical and mental development, serving as a form of practice for life skills.

Passion for teaching — Excellence in teaching requires dedication, constant learning, and adaptability.

Resources

Alex Pavlotski’s research on parkour — A global anthropological study on parkour communities and their cultural significance.

Access Parkour — The organization promoting parkour education and inclusivity in Scotland.

Headspace app — A resource for learning meditation and building mindfulness habits.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Ville Leppanen: Life-long learning, coaching, and intervals

What lessons can we learn about personal growth, community building, and training innovation through parkour?

Craig sits down to interview Ville Leppanen, a lifelong learner and member of the Finnish Parkour community. Ville discusses how he uses different tools in his coaching, how to work smarter instead of harder, and how he uses interval training to help him in parkour. Finally, Ville touches on how his coaching has evolved over the years and how his teaching has helped him learn things about himself.

For me, the process is, ‘okay, I have this idea and… I have no idea…’ Is it any good? Will it work? Will it be interesting? But what the hell, let’s give it a go!

~ Ville Leppanen (4:00)

The conversation highlights Ville Leppanen’s innovative approach to coaching, focusing on using tools, questions, and unconventional methods to inspire curiosity and adaptability in training. Ville shares his perspective on integrating scientific principles into parkour, aiming to combine rigorous research with the sport’s creative essence. Discussions also touch on interval training strategies for maximizing physical performance while balancing intensity and recovery.

The dialogue explores the Finnish parkour community’s cohesiveness, influenced by cultural tendencies toward collaboration and organization. Ville reflects on how confrontation and cultural differences affect community dynamics. He emphasizes the value of stepping outside the parkour bubble by exploring other disciplines, fostering a holistic movement practice, and gaining new insights to improve coaching and community-building efforts.

Takeaways

Ville’s philosophy on tools — Using simple objects in creative ways enhances learning and training processes.

Interval training — Tailoring work-rest cycles to optimize endurance and intensity in parkour practice.

Finnish parkour community — Unified by collaboration and early organization, reflecting Finnish cultural traits.

Confrontation avoidance — Addressing how cultural norms shape community interactions and growth.

Questions as tools — Facilitating personal and student growth by fostering curiosity rather than providing answers.

Exploring diverse disciplines — Engaging with other activities enriches perspectives and enhances movement skills.

Long-term physical goals — Prioritizing sustainable, playful training to ensure lifelong movement capability.

Family classes in parkour — A Finnish innovation promoting intergenerational bonding through shared movement experiences.

Resources

American Rendezvous — A well-organized parkour event Ville attended, noted for its professionalism.

Supreme Parkour Armageddon — An annual Finnish parkour event known for its evolving, humorous naming tradition.

Parkour Generations — Features coaching and events that Ville mentioned as impactful early in his training.

Sisu — A Finnish concept of perseverance and resilience, central to Ville’s outlook.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Sebastien Foucan (Part 3 of 3): Movement journey, path to truth, and coaching styles

What are the deeper implications of autonomy, curiosity, and the evolving dynamics of coaching within the context of parkour and personal exploration?

In the final part of our 3-part interview with Sebastien Foucan, Craig and Seb continue to discuss his movement journey. Sebastien brings to light what he sees as his “Path To Truth.” They discuss his relationship with learning, different coaching styles, and wrap up with Sebastien’s three words.

I’m an explorer, nothing stays static. I’m still evolving.

~ Sebastien Foucan (12:30)

Sebastien Foucan reflects on his personal evolution from a disengaged student to a driven explorer, emphasizing the power of curiosity and self-directed learning. He discusses his initial struggle with traditional education and how experiences in nature reawakened his desire to learn. This rekindled curiosity led him to philosophical and scientific explorations, citing inspirations like Richard Feynman and the holistic connections between physical activity and mindfulness.

The conversation also gets into coaching philosophies, contrasting traditional methods with parkour’s unique emphasis on autonomy and individual growth. Sebastien critiques rigid coaching practices and advocates for collaborative, open exchanges of ideas to foster creativity and innovation in teaching. He explores broader themes such as artistic expression, personal resilience, and the importance of cultivating environments that encourage growth and connection.

Takeaways

Autonomy in coaching — The importance of teaching students to become independent rather than dependent on their coaches.

Curiosity as a driver — Curiosity transforms disengagement into a relentless pursuit of knowledge and self-improvement.

Integration of nature — The role of nature in inspiring movement, mindfulness, and personal growth.

Holistic teaching — Effective coaching incorporates not just technique but also personal and emotional development.

Influence of inspiration — Icons like Feynman and Michael Jordan illustrate how external influences shape individual perspectives and growth.

Balance of tradition and innovation — The need for blending established methods with creative, adaptive approaches.

Philosophy in practice — Parkour becomes a metaphor for navigating life’s challenges through adaptability and persistence.

Artistic expression in movement — Movement as a visual and emotional narrative connecting physicality with creativity.

The role of community — Collaboration and shared experiences enrich both individual and collective journeys.

Resources

Richard Feynman — An influential physicist known for his ability to explain complex concepts with clarity and accessibility.

Phil Jackson’s “Sacred Hoops” — A book exploring selflessness and team dynamics, drawing from Jackson’s experiences coaching basketball.

Art of Retreat — An event dedicated to fostering dialogue and collaboration among parkour and movement community leaders.

First4Sport Certification — A UK-based certification program for parkour coaching, emphasizing safety and professional standards.

Sebastien Foucan’s Freerunning Academy — A platform for learning parkour and freerunning, emphasizing exploration, curiosity, and holistic movement.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Sandro Widmer: ParkourONE, studying coaches, and open minds

What can we learn about the intersection of philosophy, personal growth, and structured systems within the practice of parkour?

Sandro Widmer discusses ParkourONE’s TRUST concept, his current research and movement journey. Along the way he describes his time in America, and the struggles of studying parkour coaches. Sandro also reminds us to walk through this world with an open mind, as we can never fully understand each other’s experiences.

I think what’s most important is to walk through the world with an open mindset. Be tolerant, be open-minded, and have a smile on your face.

~ Sandro Widmer (27:00)

The conversation explores the philosophy of ParkourONE, focusing on the TRuST concept that emphasizes values such as respect, modesty, and trust. This philosophy is visualized through the fingers of a hand, representing key principles like “no competition” and “courage.” ParkourONE’s unique approach to training and community building in Switzerland and Germany is discussed, highlighting the organization’s layered membership process and the responsibilities of its members.

The discussion transitions to Sandro’s master’s thesis on how personal philosophy influences coaching methods. He shares his methodology for collecting data from Swiss parkour coaches and explores topics such as open versus closed exercises and how parkour principles can be translated into broader life lessons. The conversation concludes with reflections on cultural exchanges during international training events and the importance of maintaining an open and tolerant mindset.

Takeaways

No competition — ParkourONE emphasizes non-competitive practice to foster inclusivity and personal growth.

Be cautious — Practitioners are encouraged to respect their physical limits to ensure sustainable training.

Respect — Respect is shown to the environment, fellow practitioners, and the discipline of parkour itself.

Trust — Trust in oneself and others is a cornerstone of both practice and teaching in ParkourONE.

Modesty — Humility is key to recognizing the continuous challenges within parkour.

Membership as responsibility — ParkourONE’s membership process is selective, emphasizing community contributions and adherence to shared values.

Cultural exchange — Parkour fosters a universal culture of openness and tolerance, as seen in events like American Rendezvous.

Influence of philosophy on coaching — Sandro’s research explores how a coach’s philosophy shapes their teaching methods and practice.

Open versus closed exercises — ParkourONE values giving students space to explore and develop their own solutions.

Sustainability in movement — Long-term physical and mental health is prioritized to ensure lifelong mobility.

Resources

ParkourONE — Philosophy and values behind ParkourONE’s training approach.

American Rendezvous — An event fostering cultural and training exchanges among parkour practitioners.

ADAPT Qualifications — Certification system mentioned in comparison with ParkourONE’s coach training.

Johanna Herrmann’s Thesis — Research referenced in Sandro’s master’s thesis on parkour philosophy.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Sebastien Foucan (Part 2 of 3): Training, coaching, and preparation

What strategies and principles underpin effective training, mental resilience, and personal growth?

Sebastien Foucan and Craig continue their conversation in the second part of Sebastien’s three part interview. In this episode, Sebastien discusses how he trains, how he coaches, and how he prepares for his roles in various movies and films. Craig and Sebastien also discuss the influence genetics and natural skill has on the success of a person in their sport.

Being always in motion keeps you fit and healthy. And if you don’t push too much that’s good, it’s good for you.

~ Sebastien Foucan (1:38)

The conversation explores the philosophy and practice of training, emphasizing the importance of specificity and alignment with individual goals. The discussion digs into distinctions between training and practice, the role of adaptability, and how unique circumstances dictate specific training regimens. Examples range from parkour to acting, illustrating how preparation varies across disciplines.

Mental resilience and personal growth also feature prominently, particularly through the lens of overcoming setbacks. The dialogue covers how life challenges, such as health issues and personal losses, can redefine perspectives on discipline and motivation. Additional topics include the interplay of genetics, environment, and personal choices in shaping potential, and how these elements influence broader life decisions.

Takeaways

Training specificity — Training must align with the goals and nature of the activity, whether physical, mental, or technical.

Adaptation and creativity — Effective training requires adapting to the specific challenges of each goal and using creative approaches.

Mental resilience — Life challenges, such as health setbacks, can inspire reevaluation and foster growth in discipline and motivation.

Role of environment — Success often depends on the support and conditions provided by one’s surroundings.

Genetics and potential — Physical and mental capacities are influenced by genetics, highlighting the need for realistic self-assessment.

Exploration mindset — Treating challenges as opportunities for discovery fosters growth and resilience.

Integration of play — Activities like sparring or trekking are incorporated to balance training with enjoyment and functionality.

Holistic health — Awareness of food choices and their impact on health is critical for sustainable training and well-being.

Resources

World Chase Tag — A competitive version of tag, blending physical agility and strategy.

Angry Chicken Advertisement — A pivotal project in Sebastien’s career that won a Lion d’Or award.

Cus D’Amato on YouTube — Insights into training philosophy and mentorship.

Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) — A framework discussed in the context of motivation and mental programming.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Travis Tetting: Building things, faith, and family

What lessons can be drawn from navigating challenges and fostering perseverance in life, community, and personal growth?

Travis Tetting joins Craig for a heartfelt discussion of his coaching journey, community, and building things from the ground up. Along the way he describes his love for his community and the rewards of coaching. Travis explains how his bond to his family and Christian faith have given him the strength to get to where he is today.

I think, at the heart, at the core of a ‘heart of thankfulness’, is that ability to see what’s shaping you and what’s improving you.

~ Travis Tetting (30:35)

The conversation explores themes of perseverance, adaptability, and community building, centered on Travis’s journey through personal and professional challenges. A detailed story of overcoming setbacks, such as an airport ordeal while en route to a pivotal certification, reveals insights into resilience and turning difficult circumstances into valuable lessons. Travis’s reflections on training and faith illustrate the balance between physical discipline and mental flexibility.

The dialogue goes into the creation and evolution of a parkour gym in a rural area, emphasizing frugality, modular design, and fostering innovation. The gym becomes a space for cultivating not just physical skills but also community bonds and personal growth. Travis shares stories of impactful teaching moments, where parkour acts as a medium for life lessons, underscoring the importance of gratitude, perseverance, and sharing in overcoming obstacles.

Takeaways

Faith and perseverance — A strong belief system helps navigate personal and professional challenges.

Adaptability under pressure — Difficult situations can provide valuable lessons in resilience and flexibility.

Building community — The process of creating and nurturing a supportive environment enhances both personal and collective growth.

The role of gratitude — Viewing hardships as opportunities for growth fosters a positive outlook.

Innovative design philosophy — Modularity and multi-purpose design in gym structures encourage creativity and problem-solving.

Teaching as transformation — Teaching parkour becomes a medium for instilling life-changing values and skills.

Life lessons through movement — Parkour transcends physical activity, teaching patience, innovation, and mental resilience.

Overcoming adversity — Stories of setbacks, such as physical injury or logistical hurdles, highlight the importance of persistence and perspective.

Resources

American Rendezvous — A parkour event discussed in the context of training and community.

Axiom Parkour — The guest’s parkour gym, emphasizing modular design and community growth.

Williams Belle Instagram — Mentioned as an inspiration during training discussions.

ADAPT Qualifications — A certification program related to parkour, highlighting the significance of rigorous training.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Sebastien Foucan (Part 1 of 3): Explorer, evolution, and adaptation

What is the role of exploration in achieving personal growth and self-mastery?

Sebastien Foucan joins Craig for the first of a three part interview. Sebastien is best described – in his own words – as an explorer. Craig and Sebastien talk about what he means by explorer and how his journey of exploration has evolved over the years.

The purpose of it is liberation and self-development.

~ Sebastien Foucan (6:00)

Sebastien Foucan discusses his evolution as an explorer, emphasizing how his experiences with Parkour, freerunning, and L’art du Déplacement reflect a personal journey of discovery. He describes the origins of freerunning as an extension of Parkour, influenced by his desire to create a distinct approach that resonated with his personal philosophy. Sebastien outlines how these practices connect the mind, body, and environment, explaining their importance in fostering growth and transformation.

The conversation highlights Sebastien’s perspective on the maturity stages of development, from roots to fire, water, and air. He explores concepts like the cyclic nature of life, energy balance, and the distinction between training and practice. By emphasizing mindfulness and understanding one’s limitations, Sebastien illustrates how individuals can navigate their unique paths toward achieving their potential.

Takeaways

Exploration as a core identity — Sebastien views himself as an explorer who continually seeks growth.

Origins of freerunning — Freerunning emerged as an evolution of Parkour, focusing on self-expression.

Mind-body-environment connection — These three elements form the foundation of Parkour’s transformative potential.

Maturity system stages — Growth is seen through phases of roots, fire, water, and air.

Energy management — Recognizing cycles in life and balancing energy enhances longevity.

Training versus practice — Training is goal-oriented and intense, while practice is holistic and sustainable.

Philosophy in movement — Martial arts and other disciplines inform freerunning’s broader philosophy.

Cultural impact of Parkour — Parkour redefines boundaries and offers new ways to engage with the environment.

Universal truths — Exploring various disciplines uncovers shared principles applicable to life.

Holistic journey — Self-care and sustainability are integral to long-term practice.

Resources

James Bond movie — A film featuring Sebastien’s performance in freerunning sequences.

Madonna tour — A high-profile project Sebastien participated in.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Dylan Johanson: Gym iterations, community, and self-advice

What motivates and sustains a practice that evolves personal fulfillment and builds community?

Dylan Johanson is the owner and founder of Innate Movement Parkour in Kingston, New York. A practitioner for many years, Dylan talks about his origin story and the challenges surrounding building and then re-building his gym. Then he shares some thoughts on what advice he would give his younger self.

Sometimes, I still need to remind myself to not accidentally slip onto the treadmill of traditional success.

~ Dylan Johanson (18:00)

The conversation explores Dylan Johansson’s journey into parkour, from discovering the practice to founding Innate Movement in Kingston, New York. Early topics include Dylan’s initial experiences with parkour, how it resonated with his love for movement, and his shift from solitary training to engaging with a larger community. He describes the transformative effect parkour had on his health, outlook, and life choices, emphasizing the physical and mental benefits it provided.

Later discussions focus on the process of building a parkour community, including the challenges of starting and sustaining a gym. Dylan recounts how he transitioned from hobbyist to professional coach, discussing incremental growth strategies, the importance of partnerships, and lessons learned from different gym setups. The conversation also reflects on broader themes, such as defining success on one’s terms and embracing the evolving nature of personal practice.

Takeaways

Parkour as a transformative discipline — A personal journey from unhealthy habits to a more fulfilled and balanced life.

Starting small and evolving gradually — The value of incremental steps in building a community and opening a gym.

Challenges of traditional success — Balancing personal joy and professional growth while resisting societal pressures.

The importance of a supportive network — How a partner and community can provide stability during transitions.

Parkour as a philosophy — Viewing parkour as a lens to guide life decisions and promote self-improvement.

Lessons from failure — How personal struggles and setbacks can serve as stepping stones for growth and learning.

Joy in movement — Emphasizing the playful and creative aspects of training for sustained passion and engagement.

Organizing principles for life — Using parkour to create a framework for healthier, more intentional choices.

Resources

Innate Movement — The parkour organization founded by Dylan Johansson.

PK Gen — A global organization promoting parkour education and certifications.

ADAPT Certification — A leading qualification program for parkour coaches.

Rich Roll Podcast — A podcast featuring topics on health, fitness, and personal transformation, mentioned as an inspiration in the discussion.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Jesse Danger: Systems thinking, game design, and novelty

What principles can we learn from integrating movement, play, and systems thinking to foster personal growth and collaborative learning?

Jesse Danger takes time out from teaching parkour to share thoughtful insights on topics such as systems thinking through game design, the role of novelty, and how to work with a group toward a single focus while still honoring the individual. Along the way we also discuss life lessons learned through playing chess.

Nothing will ever be the same as it was. Things are constantly changing. So everything is novel all the time.

~ Jesse Danger (14:00)

The conversation centers on Jesse Danger’s journey from being a parkour practitioner to a facilitator and educator. Topics include his personal experiments with consistency in training, the philosophy behind his organization, and how business serves as a tool for sharing his vision. Jesse highlights the transformative power of systems thinking, particularly through game design, as a method for teaching life skills and movement principles.

Jesse and Craig also discuss the role of novelty in personal and group development, emphasizing how new experiences can level the playing field and foster deeper connections. The conversation touches on broader themes like balancing individual needs with group goals, overcoming the constraints of competition and authority, and cultivating an integrated, holistic approach to learning and living.

Takeaways

The transition from practitioner to facilitator — Jesse reflects on how his consistent personal training evolved into a broader leadership role in the parkour community.

The Movement Creative’s philosophy — A focus on creating a business that aligns with personal values rather than conventional success metrics.

Systems thinking through game design — Teaching movement and life skills through intentional, co-created games that adapt to participants’ goals.

The importance of novelty — Novel experiences can equalize skill levels, spark creativity, and deepen interpersonal connections.

Balancing individual and group needs — Strategies for fostering collaboration without alienating individual autonomy.

Unpacking competition and authority — How overcoming personal challenges with competition and authority shaped Jesse’s teaching philosophy.

The role of play in growth — Play as a tool for exploration, skill-building, and connection.

Life lessons from chess — The shift from finite to infinite games and their impact on personal growth and perspective.

The tribe’s responsibility — Supporting individuals’ unique needs while fostering collective growth.

Resilience, adaptability, and delusion — Key principles in Jesse’s personal and professional practice.

Resources

The Movement Creative — Jesse’s organization focused on movement and education.

Quest to Learn — A school where Jesse first explored systems thinking through teaching parkour.

Institute of Play — An organization partnering with Quest to Learn to implement game-based learning strategies.

Brendon Trombley — A game designer who collaborated with Jesse to design educational games.

Minecraft — A platform used creatively by Brendon to teach biology concepts through interactive simulations.

Rafe Kelley — Referenced for insights on play and movement.

CrossFit — Mentioned as a comparison for physical training methodologies.

International Gathering — A community event showcasing parkour practices.

Fight Club (1999) — Referenced metaphorically for its concept of transient connections.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Imposter syndrome… for the win!

while it is always a good idea to question one’s own work, and to be open to outside criticism, if you are a professional in a given field there probably are good reasons to think you know what you are doing, especially when your work gets repeatedly validated externally.

~ Massimo Pigliucci from, Stoic advice: impostor syndrome

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One of the things I particularly LIKE is the imposter syndrome aspect of the Movers Mindset podcast.

“…wait. wat?”

Yes.

You see, there’s an entire universe of “perform interview” skills that I don’t have, and I’m loving learning something entirely new. It’s also pretty much orthogonal to my previous life experience — “listen,” had to learn that. “empathize,” had to learn that. Even this weird thing you have to do to imagine everyone who is listening and try to read the minds of people you are imagining… it’s bonkers. I love it.

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Andy Taylor: Gym building, inspiration, and build standards

What are the key considerations in designing, constructing, and sustaining inspiring gym spaces that foster exploration and play?

Andy Taylor discusses the intricacies of designing and building a great parkour gym. Along the way, we talk about what makes a gym inspiring, the evolution of build standards that are safe without limiting parkour vision, and how parkour has been instrumental in the development of a young autistic girl.

When I sit down to design a gym, I try to call to the inner child that is in us that makes us wanna play.

~ Andy Taylor (1:30)

This conversation deconstructs the intricacies of designing gym spaces that inspire creativity and exploration. Topics include the importance of tapping into a child-like desire to play, using thoughtful design to increase engagement, and ensuring safety without stifling creativity. Practical examples are shared, such as integrating features that naturally draw attention and encourage varied movements.

The discussion also touches on challenges unique to parkour gyms, such as meeting building codes, balancing budgets, and navigating regulatory hurdles. Andy and Craig explore how gym designs can range from expansive, multi-use facilities to smaller, community-oriented spaces. They emphasize the need for better standards and guidelines to support gym builders in creating safe yet imaginative environments.

Takeaways

Designing for play — Gym spaces should inspire a child-like desire to explore and interact.

Balancing aesthetics and utility — Effective gym design combines visual appeal with practical use.

Safety through design — Safety features must be thoughtfully integrated to minimize risk without diminishing creativity.

Regulatory challenges — Parkour gyms face unique obstacles with inconsistent building codes and standards.

Scale considerations — Smaller gyms provide intimacy, while larger facilities require diversification for sustainability.

Importance of standards — Developing shared guidelines for construction and safety is crucial for the parkour community.

Encouraging creativity — Well-designed spaces enable a wide range of movements and inspire new possibilities.

Support for new builders — Mentorship and resources are vital for those new to gym construction.

Inclusivity in design — Gym spaces can support diverse users, including those with special needs.

Resources

TeachBuildPlay Facebook Page — Andy’s platform for sharing ideas and connecting with the community.

Google SketchUp — A tool used for designing and modeling gym spaces.

Tempest Freerunning Academy — An example of a large, well-known parkour gym.

SCORE — A resource mentioned as a helpful guide for entrepreneurs navigating business challenges.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Elet Hall: Not training, risk, danger, and Lyme disease

What motivates and shapes individual approaches to physical training, risk management, and personal growth?

Elet Hall takes time out from a motorcycle engine rebuild to discuss his approach to training (and not training), challenge, risk, danger, consequences, and why he walked away from American Ninja Warrior. Along the way, we talk about Lyme disease, and his work with the Bay Area Lyme Foundation, before he shares his four words to describe his practice.

Strength of character is what I’m looking for in almost everything that I do.

~ Elet Hall (30:00)

The conversation begins with reflections on Elet’s experiences in Ninja Warrior and parkour, emphasizing the importance of meeting people where they are in their personal journeys. It touches on how perceptions of these activities differ and how they can be bridges rather than barriers for people seeking self-improvement.

Further, the discussion moves to Elet’s personal training philosophy, rooted in nature and holistic approaches. Topics like the subjective and objective impacts of training, footwear choices for outdoor activities, and the biological and psychological effects of connecting with natural environments are explored. He highlights the value of understanding one’s own body and tailoring training to personal goals and limitations.

The latter part delves into a life-threatening incident that prompted Elet to reassess motivations and commitments. This leads to discussions on Lyme disease, its impact on energy levels, and the necessity of intentional training. The conversation ends with a reflection on building strength of character through thoughtful engagement with challenges, whether in parkour, life, or other pursuits.

Takeaways

Training for personal growth — Physical challenges can be transformative when approached with the right mindset.

Risk versus consequence — Every action in parkour and life involves balancing potential risks and consequences.

Connection with nature — Training outdoors provides unique challenges and rewards, fostering a deeper sense of fulfillment.

Minimalist footwear benefits — Choosing less structured footwear can enhance sensory feedback and overall physical awareness.

Holistic health management — Balancing exercise, diet, and self-care is critical for managing chronic conditions like Lyme disease.

Motivations for participation — It’s vital to understand why someone engages in a practice and to support their journey.

Strength of character — Facing and overcoming challenges builds self-confidence and personal resilience.

Reevaluating goals — Life events can prompt reassessment of what truly aligns with one’s values and passions.

Resources

Bay Area Lyme Foundation — An organization raising awareness and funding research for Lyme disease.

Merrell Trail Gloves — Minimalist footwear favored by the speaker for natural training environments.

Old Rag Mountain — A popular hiking spot mentioned in the discussion.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Ševo Saša: Yugoslavia, injury, and growth

What drives personal growth and resilience in the face of immense physical, emotional, and cultural challenges?

Ševo Saša is best-known as an amazing and creative mover, and the founder of the Skochypstiks clothing line. In this interview he shares the story of his Parkour beginnings after the collapse of Yugoslavia, and his motivation for overcoming a devastating injury in his youth. Sasa’s love of people and profound discipline have enabled him to thrive amidst the cycles of life, and have lead him to tremendous personal growth.

It doesn’t happen with everyone. Everybody can motivate us in different ways, this is true, but this special moment is something that I will remember forever. Because I did something that I really didn’t want to do, I kind of refused it with all my body, with everything, and when we ended I think I hugged him so hard, I was so happy doing this.

~ Ševo Saša (14:00)

The conversation explores the transformative journey from a war-torn Balkan region, navigating through cultural and personal challenges to find purpose and resilience in parkour. The discussion begins with the historical context of Yugoslavia’s dissolution and the challenges of displacement, providing a backdrop to his initial experiences with movement and the foundational influence of his father. Overcoming severe physical injuries, Saša develops discipline through self-directed training and a deep love for movement.

The narrative progresses into his parkour evolution, shaped by diverse environments and communities. From training in Serbia to pioneering connections between neighboring Balkan countries through parkour, the conversation emphasizes the significance of shared experiences. Saša reflects on the broader cultural impact of these connections, uniting people across former divisions, and concludes by highlighting the importance of love, discipline, and people in his practice.

Takeaways

Love for movement — A central theme that inspired dedication and growth in parkour.

Impact of displacement — How personal and cultural history shaped his outlook and resilience.

Discipline as a foundation — Rigorous self-training and perseverance despite physical and mental barriers.

Role of community — The importance of shared experiences in parkour to build connections and unity.

Parkour as a bridge — Its role in uniting people across post-war Balkan countries.

Adapting to environments — Embracing change and new challenges to drive personal growth.

Transformative experiences — How struggles, such as the 101 training, pushed personal limits and created lasting memories.

The power of connection — Focusing on people and relationships over obstacles or achievements.

Resources

Laurent Piemontesi — Insight into the “101” quadrupedal training exercises.

Colin McRae Rally Video Game — A part of Sasa’s recovery story and early life context.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Matthew Poprocki: Artistry, challenges, and personal expression

What motivates individuals to transform their lives and turn challenges into opportunities for growth and creativity?

Matthew Poprocki does what he loves. Formally a visual artist, he is now a movement artist who likes to play and overcome obstacles. He discusses the challenges he’s faced and how he rediscovered his artistic expression through Parkour.

I realized after a few years, I didn’t lose it, I’m still an artist, I’m a Life artist.

~ Matthew Poprocki (7:16)

The conversation explores the profound journey of an individual who transitioned from a career in graphic design to becoming a movement artist and coach. Struggling with dissatisfaction in a desk job, addiction, and health challenges, Matthew found solace and purpose in Parkour. This shift allowed him to embrace creativity and play, not only as an outlet but as a way to teach and inspire others.

Key topics include the philosophy of overcoming obstacles, the transition from visual to movement arts, and the role of Parkour in cultivating resilience and mindfulness. Through personal anecdotes, Matthew shares insights on viewing challenges as opportunities and finding joy in being present, creative, and connected to life.

Takeaways

Creativity through movement — Parkour offers a new medium for artistic expression and personal fulfillment.

Life as art — Redefining artistry by integrating creativity into daily activities and experiences.

Resilience in adversity — Viewing life’s challenges as opportunities to demonstrate strength and adapt.

Philosophy of play — Rediscovering joy and presence through movement and coaching.

The transformation of perspective — From seeing obstacles as burdens to viewing them as opportunities for growth.

Impact of mindfulness — Being fully present enhances life experiences and fosters creativity.

Redefining success — Prioritizing passion and fulfillment over societal expectations of work and productivity.

The role of Parkour in teaching — Empowering others through creative coaching and sharing lived experiences.

Resources

Parkour Generations — Mentioned as a movement-focused community and training resource.

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Chris Keighley: Challenge, personal growth, and 1,000 muscle-ups

What can we learn about personal growth, resilience, and community through extreme physical challenges?

Chris Keighley helps me muscle up the strength to understand challenge. We discuss its rewards, hazards, and how it can be a powerful tool for personal growth from day one. He shares stories from behind the scenes of the 1,000 Muscle-Up Challenge, and talks about finding challenge in more mundane activities, like building a tire tower at the Gerlev International Gathering.

Modern life doesn’t give you many chances of seeing what you’re capable of.

~ Chris Keighley (6:30)

The conversation centers on the 1000 Muscle-Up Challenge, an intense physical and mental test. The origins of the challenge, its evolution from a hypothetical debate to an actual event, and the experiences of participants highlight themes of resilience, camaraderie, and self-discovery. Chris navigates physical exhaustion and mental roadblocks, supported by a tight-knit community, ultimately revealing their limits and potential.

Other topics include the broader philosophy of challenges in parkour and training. The discussion explores how setting appropriately difficult challenges helps individuals grow, with parallels drawn between physical challenges and life experiences. The importance of community support in such endeavors, as well as the transformative effects of overcoming personal boundaries, are recurring themes.

Takeaways

Challenges and growth — Difficult challenges reveal untapped potential and build resilience.

Camaraderie in struggle — Support from others transforms individual challenges into shared victories.

The mental aspect of training — Mental endurance is just as crucial as physical strength in overcoming obstacles.

Personal limits and discovery — Pushing beyond known limits fosters personal growth and self-awareness.

The role of uncertainty — Effective challenges must be within reach but not guaranteed, encouraging full effort.

Value of small challenges — Even minor challenges, like balancing exercises, can be deeply rewarding.

Physical risk and wisdom — Extreme challenges require careful judgment about safety and personal limits.

Adapting training — Different challenges suit different stages of experience and capability.

The joy of overcoming — Achieving difficult goals provides a profound sense of accomplishment and pride.

Resources

Parkour Generations — A global organization offering parkour training and education.

David Belle — A foundational figure in parkour, influencing the ethos of physical and mental challenges.

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Andrew Foster: Global Journey, Losing Everything, and Finding Purpose

What does it take to transform personal struggles and passions into a thriving community that fosters movement, connection, and belonging?

Andrew Foster shares his fascinating journey from his home-schooled beginnings in Ohio, Arabic studies, and living in Jordan, (including meeting and training with Danny Ilabaca in Cairo) to facing the dark challenge of losing everything- including his purpose in life. Starting renewed from his lowest point, on a mountaintop in Colorado, he describes finding new purpose and direction, bringing him full circle to his home town in Ohio.

We come from dust, and we return to dust. We don’t have anything except what we’re given.

~ Andrew Foster (16:09)

Andrew Foster recounts his life journey, beginning with a childhood filled with classical music, philosophy, and a homeschooling environment that prioritized learning over grades. He describes his forays into sports like swimming and soccer, where he embraced the challenges of being an underdog. His passion for movement led him to Parkour, despite initial parental opposition, and to formative experiences abroad in the Middle East, where he studied Arabic and connected with Parkour communities.

A pivotal moment came when Andrew faced personal and professional loss, culminating in a cathartic experience atop a Colorado mountain. This epiphany shifted his perspective on life, motivating him to embrace gratitude, faith, and a commitment to community. Returning to Ohio, he founded Akron Movement Family, a Parkour gym centered on movement, love, and family, with the goal of creating a supportive, inclusive space for individuals to thrive physically and emotionally.

Takeaways

Movement as a central theme — Andrew explores how movement connects deeply to life and human experience.

Overcoming adversity — Reflecting on his struggles, Andrew highlights how challenges shaped his resilience and vision.

Building community — He emphasizes the importance of creating spaces where individuals feel valued and supported.

Cultural exchange and growth — His experiences in the Middle East broadened his perspective and reinforced the universal language of movement.

Transformational moments — A profound experience in the Rockies symbolized renewal and the start of a new purpose-driven journey.

Founding Akron Movement Family — The gym represents a culmination of his values, aiming to inspire and support a diverse community.

Resources

Akron Movement Family — Andrew’s Parkour gym focused on community, movement, and love.

Daniel Ilabaca — An influential Parkour figure and inspiration in Andrew’s journey, mentioned for his teachings and philosophies.

University of Jordan — The institution where Andrew studied Arabic during a transformative period of his life.

Bruce Lee’s “Flow like water” philosophy — Referenced in the conversation to illustrate movement’s deeper significance.

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Finn Berggren: Gerlev Idrætshøjskole, sportification, and the Olympics

What are the transformative possibilities of integrating Parkour into educational frameworks, and how can its values be preserved amidst sportification pressures?

Finn Berggren shares his thoughts on Parkour, explaining why he brought Parkour to Gerlev Idrætshøjskole in Denmark to replace the traditional gymnastics curriculum. We also discuss the “sportification” of Parkour and the Olympics, and he shares his story of the pivotal moment which solidified his decision to bring Parkour to Gerlev.

We built the first Parkour park in the world because it was a park designed to teach for pedagogical reasons and not just for doing, but also to learn how to do it and, at the same time, understand the philosophy behind Parkour.

~ Finn Berggren (7:00)

Finn Berggren shares his experiences as the principal of Gerlev Sports Academy, where he has transformed the institution’s approach to movement education by integrating Parkour. He recounts discovering Parkour through a television program and how its unstructured, innovative nature captivated him. His vision led to the creation of the world’s first pedagogical Parkour park, designed to teach movement and philosophy rather than competitive techniques. Finn discusses Gerlev’s evolution from a gymnastics-focused academy to a hub for diverse movement practices, including Parkour and street dance, emphasizing personal development and inclusivity.

Finn also reflects on the broader implications of sportification, warning against its potential to restrict the freedom and creativity inherent in Parkour. He advocates for preserving its unstructured, exploratory spirit and suggests using networks rather than rigid organizations to maintain its authenticity. Finn shares a personal story of witnessing children’s spontaneous engagement with movement, underscoring the importance of fun, challenge, and reflection in promoting physical activity and holistic development.

Takeaways

Fun as a foundation — Movement education thrives on enjoyment, which combats inactivity and encourages sustained engagement.

Challenges in Parkour — Emphasizes personal and mental challenges as vital components of growth.

Reflection in sport — Movement practices should promote reflection on societal and health impacts.

Parkour’s introduction at Gerlev — Brought new vitality and philosophy to the academy’s curriculum.

Development of the first Parkour park — A unique pedagogical space that merged practice and philosophy.

Sportification concerns — Over-structuring risks eroding the freedom and innovation central to Parkour.

Educational philosophy — Gerlev focuses on personal development over examinations, fostering individual responsibility.

Networking versus organizing — Networks are preferred to preserve Parkour’s values and resist rigid institutionalization.

Resources

Gerlev Sports Academy — The institution spearheading innovative movement education, including the world’s first Parkour park.

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Paul Graves: Capoeira, conversation in movement, and nature

What unique perspectives can be gained by exploring the interplay of movement disciplines like Capoeira, Parkour, and natural movement?

Paul brings his extensive experience to bear to provide insight into Capoeira. We go on to talk about how movement itself can be a conversation, before we dig deep into the human need to experience nature as part of our lives, as well as part of our parkour practice.

You see it coming, you get out of the way.

~ Paul Graves (10:04)

The conversation begins by exploring the transformative role of Capoeira in shaping social skills and personal identity. Paul Graves shares his journey through Capoeira, detailing its cultural richness, the dynamics of the roda, and the life-altering impact of movement-based dialogues. He explains how his Capoeira nickname, identity, and eventual departure from the practice marked a profound personal shift.

Transitioning to Parkour, the discussion highlights how Paul’s movement philosophy evolved to embrace play and adaptability. He goes into Parkour’s roots in both urban and natural environments, emphasizing the importance of connecting with nature to rediscover primal human movement. Themes of engagement, community, and the psychological impacts of training environments are central to understanding how movement disciplines shape both personal and collective growth.

Takeaways

Capoeira’s roda — A dynamic microcosm of life involving movement dialogue and mutual respect.

The impact of leaving Capoeira — Marked a significant identity shift and opened the door to new explorations.

Parkour’s appeal — A practice that emphasizes freedom, exploration, and connection with the environment.

Natural movement’s relevance — Returning to nature reveals deeper aspects of movement and human connection.

Philosophy of play — Play as a central concept that fosters learning and adaptability across disciplines.

Overcoming challenges — Movement practices mirror life’s obstacles and solutions.

Community dynamics in training — Engagement with others shapes the experience of growth and achievement.

Balancing structured and free movement — Combining discipline and creativity to maximize potential.

Resources

Parkour Visions — An organization focusing on Parkour education and community.

Evolve Move Play — A program exploring natural movement in outdoor environments.

Capoeira: Roots of the Dance-Fight-Game — A book exploring the history and philosophy of Capoeira.

Julie Angel’s Videos — Documenting movement practices like Parkour and natural movement.

Art of Retreat — A gathering for movement practitioners to explore diverse disciplines.

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Max Henry: Parkour Roadmap, infrastructure, and growth

What is the unique role of Parkour in fostering mindfulness, community, and personal growth?

Max Henry shares his introduction and journey into parkour, and how he’s gotten to where he is. He unpacks his book, the Parkour Roadmap, explaining what it is, and why he wrote it, before delving into his work on the Water Project with Know Obstacles. Max discusses his thoughts on the infrastructure of parkour, the changes parkour could undergo as it evolves, and the responsibility he feels to preserve the heart of parkour as it grows.

The story that you tell people is the story that they’ll believe, and that’s the story that you become.

~ Max Henry (18:20)

This conversation explores Max Henry’s journey in Parkour, detailing his early fascination with movement and the philosophy underpinning the discipline. Max shares how his diverse background in sports and music influenced his approach, and he reflects on the role of mindfulness in overcoming physical and mental barriers in training. The conversation highlights his dedication to the global Parkour community, as seen through his coaching work and involvement in projects like the Copper Water initiative in Africa.

The discussion goes into the maturation of Parkour as a sport, addressing its increasing accessibility, media portrayal, and potential future directions. Key themes include preserving the spirit of Parkour while embracing its growth, the challenges faced by professional athletes in the field, and the importance of community-driven efforts to ensure its sustainable development.

Takeaways

The philosophy of Parkour — A discipline rooted in overcoming challenges through physical movement and mental focus.

Mindfulness in Parkour — Emphasizing the role of attention in training to enhance emotional regulation and reduce fear.

Cultural evolution — Parkour’s journey from niche practice to growing global recognition mirrors other sports like climbing.

Community-driven growth — The importance of grassroots efforts in maintaining the authenticity and ethos of Parkour.

Challenges for athletes — Professional Parkour athletes face financial and career sustainability hurdles despite their dedication.

Global outreach — Parkour’s role in initiatives like the Copper Water project demonstrates its potential to inspire and support communities worldwide.

Media responsibility — The narratives shared about Parkour shape public perception and the sport’s development.

Balancing risk and creativity — Athletes push boundaries to innovate while striving to maintain safety and authenticity.

Resources

The Parkour Roadmap — Max Henry’s book offering insights into the history, philosophy, and techniques of Parkour.

Alex Honnold: Alone on the Wall — A book exploring the mental and physical discipline in climbing, referenced in the conversation.

Storror — A Parkour team creating influential media content and shaping perceptions of the sport.

Know Obstacles — A Parkour clothing company involved in community projects like the Copper Water initiative.

American Rendezvous — An event fostering connections among Parkour practitioners globally.

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Caitlin Pontrella: Movement Creative, play, and community

What steps can be taken to normalize play and movement for adults in public spaces?

Caitlin Pontrella discusses the Movement Creative, explaining its goals and vision beyond simply teaching parkour. She unpacks her thoughts on the concept of play, how it relates to parkour, and the benefits of both play and risk. Caitlin wraps up by sharing her insights into starting new projects and how to involve your community.

Risk gives you choice, and it gives you opportunity to explore and challenge yourself.

~ Caitlin Pontrella (5:17)

The conversation centers on the concept of normalizing play for adults and making public spaces more engaging. Caitlin Pontrella discusses her work with the Movement Creative, a social enterprise aimed at fostering creativity, movement, and education. Projects like “movement snacks” provide subtle invitations for play in public spaces, aiming to remove the stigma associated with adult play while promoting accessibility and inclusivity. This shift can lead to a cultural transformation, encouraging adults to view movement as a natural, joyful part of life.

Topics also include the importance of risk in play, the concept of Parkour vision, and how it changes perceptions of urban environments. Caitlin emphasizes the value of partnerships and community engagement when implementing ideas to enhance public spaces. She shares examples of playful initiatives, such as “mice on Main,” which successfully create a sense of wonder and interaction within cities. The conversation underscores the transformative potential of play and movement to enrich personal and communal experiences.

Takeaways

Creating playful invitations in public spaces — Movement snacks subtly encourage people to interact with their environment and rediscover the joy of play.

Normalizing adult play — By modeling playful behavior in public, adults can give others implicit permission to participate.

Balancing perceptions of risk — Understanding that risk is a choice and part of growth can reshape how communities design play-friendly spaces.

Reimagining urban spaces — Concepts like Parkour vision help people view cities as opportunities for exploration and self-expression.

Engaging communities — Collaborating with local groups and governments is crucial for implementing playful, impactful public initiatives.

Play as a universal language — Movement and play transcend cultural and social barriers, fostering connection and belonging.

Small projects, big impact — Low-budget initiatives, like scavenger hunts or playful signage, can inspire significant community engagement.

Shifting cultural mindsets — Encouraging creativity and play challenges the competitive, achievement-driven focus of modern life.

Resources

The Movement Creative — A social enterprise promoting movement, education, and design through playful initiatives.

Love Where You Live by Peter Kageyama — A book about using play to activate and engage communities.

Mice on Main — A playful public art project in Greenville, South Carolina, encouraging exploration and interaction.

Walk Your City — A project using signage to promote walking and community engagement.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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