Trust with Brandy Heyde Montague

What challenges and insights emerge when discussing the craft and logistics of podcasting?

Exploring the role of trust and preparation in creating meaningful podcast conversations.

No matter how it goes, it will speak to somebody. Because I also think— I have to remind myself too, that even if the episode I’m doing reaches one person, and it makes a change in the day for that one person, it was worth doing it. And they’re reaching more than that, you know?

~ Brandy Heyde Montague (13:03)

The conversation centers on the art of podcasting, with a focus on the balance between technical challenges and the need for authentic, engaging discussions. Topics include managing unforeseen disruptions, such as noisy environments or technical glitches, while maintaining the flow of meaningful conversations. Brandy and Craig emphasize the importance of making guests feel comfortable and embracing the unpredictable elements that naturally occur in a podcast setting.

Another key topic is the trust and preparation involved in creating valuable podcast content. The conversation highlights strategies like researching guests thoroughly, preparing outlines, and fostering a sense of purpose behind each episode. Brandy and Craig reflect on the vulnerability and nerves inherent in podcasting, discussing how both the host and guest can overcome these challenges to craft impactful conversations that resonate with their audience.

Takeaways

The importance of trust — Success in podcasting often hinges on trusting that each conversation is meaningful and will reach the right audience.

Embracing imperfections — Technical glitches and interruptions are inevitable but can become part of the show’s authenticity.

Guest preparation — Thorough research and clear communication help guests feel valued and confident.

Impact measurement — Even reaching a single listener can make an episode worthwhile.

Host vulnerability — Nervousness is a natural part of podcasting but can be managed through experience and focus.

Dynamic processes — Different podcast hosts use varying levels of preparation, and there is no single “right” way to approach it.

Long-term engagement — Building connections with potential guests over time can lead to fruitful collaborations.

Open-hearted storytelling — Approaching conversations with passion and curiosity enriches the experience for both hosts and listeners.

Resources

Google Docs for guest preparation — A one-pager describing the podcast’s goals, format, and links to past episodes is used as a resource for guest onboarding.

Resources for podcast outreach — Mention of long-term outreach strategies involving platforms like Instagram and Facebook to connect with guests.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Practice with Adam Ashton

How can podcasters sustain creativity, balance workloads, and adapt over time to maintain quality and engagement in their content?

The shift from raw, unedited episodes to a well-oiled podcasting system reveals an inspiring evolution in their creative journey.

We figured that if somebody picks up, you know, a book a month or they read five books a year, then we’ve kind of done our job.

~ Adam Ashton (10:59)

The conversation explores how the hosts of the What You Will Learn podcast transitioned from an impromptu production style to a refined system that lets them focus on their passion for books. Adam discusses their early days, starting with minimal equipment and editing, and how they gradually expanded their operation by outsourcing tasks like editing and social media to focus on the core creative aspects.

The discussion also goes into the freedom their backlog affords them, enabling them to engage with more substantial and meaningful books. Adam shares insights on the value of collaboration in sustaining motivation and avoiding creative burnout, emphasizing the importance of remaining relatable while producing quality content.

Takeaways

Collaboration sustains creativity — Working with a partner ensures accountability and enhances the creative process.

Shifting priorities over time — They transitioned from minimal production to a system with dedicated roles for non-core tasks.

Valuing quality over quantity — A significant backlog allows them to prioritize better books over shorter, less impactful ones.

Evolving personal identity — Despite podcasting for six years, they resist being pigeonholed as “just podcasters.”

Sharing knowledge accessibly — Their approach makes complex ideas from books approachable and engaging for listeners.

The importance of showing work — Transparency about their process fosters trust and relatability with their audience.

Scaling with systems — Outsourcing tedious tasks enables focus on creative and strategic podcast growth.

Resources

What You Will Learn Podcast — Adam’s podcast where the hosts discuss lessons from books.

Man’s Search for Meaning — Victor Frankl’s classic book, referenced as profound and life-changing literature.

Seth Godin — Author and entrepreneur mentioned in relation to learning about goal-setting and personal development.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Humility

What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility.

~ Albert Einstein

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The foot core system

…the intrinsic muscles are largely ignored by clinicians and researchers. As such, these muscles are seldom addressed in rehabilitation programmes. Interventions for foot-related problems are more often directed at externally supporting the foot rather than training these muscles to function as they are designed.

~ Patrick O McKeon et al from, The foot core system

Our feet are exactly as complicated as our hands. When I re-started running, jumping and using my feet, I soon started wondering how my feet actually work. Followed by wondering how I take care of them. And then… *ow* …to rehabilitate and strengthen them.

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Connection with Amy Novotny

How can effective breathing techniques and conversational skills enhance personal growth, public speaking, and communication?

Breathing techniques transform fear into confidence, even in high-pressure situations like public speaking.

I changed my mindset I said okay. This is time for me to practice what I preach to implement it to prove to myself yet again that this stuff works.

~ Amy Novotny (3:59)

The conversation explores the intersection of breathing techniques, communication skills, and personal development. Breathing is highlighted as a tool to calm nerves and reduce the body’s stress response, with practical applications shared for public speaking and daily life. Amy recounts their own journey of overcoming fear through mindfulness and changing subconscious habits.

Another focus is the art of effective conversation, emphasizing listening, curiosity, and the role of nonverbal cues in fostering trust. Amy shares insights into creating engaging dialogues and supporting guests in podcasting, including challenges and surprises faced during their journey. Topics range from the technical aspects of hosting to the impact of meaningful conversations on audience trust and connection.

Takeaways

The role of breathing techniques — Calming the nervous system through specific breathing methods helps manage stress and improve performance.

Effective conversation techniques — Listening actively and asking insightful, open-ended questions are key to meaningful interactions.

The challenge of public speaking — Overcoming fear and hesitation requires mindfulness and practice, even for experienced speakers.

Podcasting as a resource — Shows can provide valuable information and connect audiences with experts across various fields.

The impact of mindset — A conscious shift in perspective can transform fear into an opportunity for growth and learning.

The importance of body awareness — Observing physical habits, such as posture and breath, directly impacts mental and emotional states.

Resources

PABR Institute — Amy’s resource for learning breathing and relaxation techniques.

Kirsten Carey — Mentioned as a potential resource for health and wellness guidance.

Dr. Amy Novotny

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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The island of knowledge

As the Island of Knowledge grows, so do the shores of our ignorance—the boundary between the known and unknown. Learning more about the world doesn’t lead to a point closer to a final destination—whose existence is nothing but a hopeful assumption anyways—but to more questions and mysteries. The more we know, the more exposed we are to our ignorance, and the more we know to ask.

~ Marcelo Gleiser

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The more we know to ask

As the Island of Knowledge grows, so do the shores of our ignorance—the boundary between the known and unknown. Learning more about the world doesn’t lead to a point closer to a final destination—whose existence is nothing but a hopeful assumption anyways—but to more questions and mysteries. The more we know, the more exposed we are to our ignorance, and the more we know to ask.

~ Marcelo Gleiser

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It feels as if everything I know is fractal! Things are complicated by the fact that everything I discover, read, and learn creates a network of connections in my knowledge. I’m always trying to get enough perspective to see where that network is inbred; I’m always looking for ways to break out of my knowledge bubble. But sometimes, the knowledge bubble can be used to make manageable a task that would otherwise be impossibly large.

Consider the writings of Lucius Annaeus Seneca, known as Seneca the Younger, or most often just written as Seneca. Even just his series of letters to a student make for a 500 page tome. Worse, there are notes, references and multiple very different translations into English. As an example of the complexity, consider these translations of a small excerpt from letter 42. (There are 124 letters plus some additional fragments.)

So, concerning the things we pursue, and for which we vigorously exert ourselves, we owe this consideration—either there is nothing useful in them, or most aren’t useful. Some of them are superfluous, while others aren’t worth that much. But we don’t discern this and see them as free, when they cost us dearly.

~ Holiday and Hanselman from, The Daily Stoic, p75.

If I’m correctly understanding their notes, that’s their translation from the original Greek and Latin texts. I find this translation frequently on the Internet, sometimes crediting those authors/that book, and sometimes crediting, Seneca, Moral Letters, 42.6.

Next, this is from Richard Mott Gummere. My limited digging suggests his original work was published in 1917. I’m guessing it went out of copyright in 2017, because it’s pretty easy to find it entirely republished. (Search for “Seneca Richard Mott Gummere”.) The copy I have is a crappy version from Barnes and Noble. (It’s as if they printed the book at 50% oppactiy.) Gummere titled letter 42, “On Values.” (Seneca did not title them, he simply wrote letter after letter after letter to his student.)

Therefore, with regard to the objects which we pursue, and for which we strive with great effort, we should note this truth; either there is nothing desirable in them, or the undesirable is preponderant. Some objects are superfluous; others are not worth the price we pay for them. But we do not see this clearly, and we regard things as free gifts when they really cost us very dear.

~ Seneca, 42.6, translated by Richard Mott Gummere

Finally, here’s the rendering from a very new publication from Chicago Press, which—again if I’m interpreting things correctly—takes as its primary sources translations from 9 different authors, (including Gummere,) published between 1914 and 2010. The same section is presented with letter 42 titled in the Table of Contents as, “Good People are Rare.” (But the letters in the body of the text are not presented with their titles—recall, Seneca didn’t title them.) Interestingly, I cannot find the following text anywhere on the Internet, the book only having been published in 2015 may be the reason.

This indeed is a point we should keep in view. Those things we compete for—the things to which we devote so much effort—offer us either no advantage, or greater disadvantage. Some are superfluities; others are not worth the trouble, but we don’t realize it. We think things come for free, when in fact their price is very steep.

~ Seneca, 42.6, and translated by Margaret Graver and A.A. Long

As the length of this blog post attests: What starts simply as, “I’d like to read some of Seneca’s writing,” quickly gets complicated. Frankly, it gets impossibly complicated. Impossible as in: Never mind, I don’t have time for this. But I do want to read some of Seneca’s writing. (I have already read many of his letters.)

So my current plan is to use my collection of Seneca quotes to choose which letters to read again and more thoroughly. Thanks to the Internet, I can find the source letter given a snippette of text. Then I can enjoy the letter using my exquisite University of Chicago Press translation, which is magnificently annotated.

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Love affairs

A speech is like a love affair. Any fool can start it, but to end it requires considerable skill.

~ Lord Mancroft

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Oration

A speech is like a love affair. Any fool can start it, but to end it requires considerable skill.

~ Lord Mancroft

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Conversations are difficult to end well. I’ve spent considerable time thinking about how to end them, and talking to people about how to end them. (I am aware it’s awfully meta to have conversations with people about how to end conversations.) As with anything (making toast for example), it’s good to first figure out common ways to horribly muck it up (try burning the toast), and learning to consistently not muck it up.

Here are three ways to muck up a conversation so as to avoid having a good ending.

First: Drag the conversation on until your conversation partner is exhausted. One might think it could make for a good ending—just the sheer relief of it ending! But alas (poor Yorick), it’s just an ending and not a good one.

Second: Get the last word in. If you’re the host (of the podcast, the dinner party, etc.), insisting on being the last one to touch the conversation baton is guaranteed to make a bad ending.

Third: If it’s going well, always keep going. That way, you only end when it’s not going well. In other words: Actively choose a bad place to end.

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Creative choices

There are no radical creative choices that do not carry with them an inherent risk of equally radical failure. You cannot do anything great without aggressively courting your own limits and the limits of your ideas. […] There is nothing more powerful than failure to reveal to you what you are truly capable of. Avoiding risk of failure means avoiding transcendent creative leaps forward. You can’t have one without the other.

~ Aisha Tyler

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