Art of Retreat Sparks

Melissa Way | Art of Space

May 6, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Melissa Way | Art of Space

How can art be integrated with Parkour to create spaces that engage both practitioners and the general public?

Designing Parkour spaces with artistic elements can make them appealing to the public while enhancing their functionality for practitioners.

A pattern interrupt is something that kind of catches your attention and messes with that in some way. So that could be, visually, just seeing something interesting that you want to explore further. Or this happens with movement people all the time, where we just see opportunity everywhere.

~ Melissa Way (3:34)

The conversation explores the intersection of art and Parkour, emphasizing how integrating artistic elements into Parkour spaces can make them more appealing to the general public. By designing environments that engage non-practitioners visually and physically, communities can foster interest in movement and create inclusive spaces. The idea of “pattern interrupts” is highlighted as a method for drawing attention to spaces and encouraging playful interaction with the environment.

A key point discussed is the challenge of proposing Parkour-specific spaces to communities and city officials unfamiliar with the discipline. By presenting these spaces as art installations or public works, the likelihood of approval increases due to the existing support and funding for public art projects. The conversation reflects on the importance of approaching design from a broader perspective, making spaces accessible and aesthetically engaging for all, not just Parkour practitioners.

Takeaways

Pattern Interrupt — Parkour and art can disrupt routine thought patterns, encouraging curiosity and play in public spaces.

Art-Parkour Synergy — Integrating art into Parkour spaces can attract broader community interest, bridging the gap between practitioners and the general public.

Designing for Accessibility — Public Parkour spaces should be visually and physically inviting to everyone, not just experienced movers.

City Engagement — Framing Parkour spaces as public art projects can increase support from city officials and community leaders.

Community Feedback — Involving the public in the design process can enhance the relevance and appeal of movement spaces.

Public Perception — Shifting societal norms about who moves in public and how they interact with art is crucial for expanding Parkour’s accessibility.

Collaboration — Engaging artists and designers outside the Parkour community can bring fresh perspectives and increase the success of proposed spaces.

Presentation Value — Presenting ideas at community retreats or events, even without being a definitive expert, fosters valuable dialogue and generates new ideas.

Resources

Melissa Way — Artist. Mover. Explorer.

Melissa Way @melzika_03

Parkour Generations Lehigh Valley — Melissa Way’s affiliated Parkour coaching organization in Pennsylvania.

Art of Retreat — A Parkour leadership and education retreat focused on advancing movement and community-building initiatives.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Elizabeth Cunningham | Yoga for Life

April 29, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Elizabeth Cunningham | Yoga for Life

How can yoga principles and breathwork enhance movement practices and overall well-being?

Yoga principles extend beyond the mat, offering insights that reshape how we move and manage stress.

I want you to get that you can use your breath in any moment, in any circumstance for whatever you’re doing, to calm yourself down to expand your movements to be able to tap into your parasympathetic nervous system.

~ Elizabeth Cunningham (4:34)

The conversation highlights the role of breath and yoga principles in enhancing physical movement and mental clarity. Elizabeth shares how her personal experiences with spinal fusion surgery and back spasms led her to rediscover yoga, which ultimately relieved her pain and transformed her perspective on movement. She emphasizes how breath control can calm the nervous system, improve posture, and foster creativity, encouraging people to integrate these practices into everyday life.

Elizabeth explains how posture and breath awareness serve as foundational tools that extend beyond yoga into disciplines like parkour or even daily interactions. She underscores the importance of breath for managing stress, preventing injury, and achieving flow states. Through humor and hands-on demonstrations, she aims to make yoga accessible and practical for all movement practitioners.

Takeaways

Breath as a tool — Breath can calm the nervous system, expand movement, and bring awareness to the present moment.

Posture alignment — Proper posture starts with engaging the core, which prevents lower back pain and fatigue.

Breath and movement — Inhalations create expansion, and exhalations drive contraction, aligning with physical movement patterns.

Breaking assumptions — Approaching yoga and breathwork with a beginner’s mindset fosters creativity and discovery.

Applicability of breath — Breathwork applies not only to physical practices but also to daily conversations and stressful situations.

Resources

Elizabeth Cunningham’s website

Elizabeth Cunningham @elzcunningham

Art of Retreat — Official site for Art of Retreat, a leadership and education retreat for movement professionals.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Blake Evitt | The Parkour Community within the Larger Urban Fabric

April 22, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Blake Evitt | The Parkour Community within the Larger Urban Fabric

How can Parkour communities foster diversity and inclusivity while balancing the growth of gym-based models and maintaining engagement with broader urban and local spaces?

Inclusivity in Parkour is not just ethical but also essential for long-term business growth.

Building a strong and diverse community is not something that is against your business interests. […] A lot of the models are based on a gym only model, which means that we are kind of vastly under serving and ignoring and kind of walling ourselves off from large swaths of the population.

~ Blake Evitt (4:44)

The conversation focuses on the intersection between Parkour as a growing industry and its role in fostering diverse and inclusive communities. One recurring theme is the tension between the rise of gym-based Parkour models and the need to engage with broader urban environments to ensure accessibility. Gym-centric models risk excluding those who cannot afford memberships or lack access to gym facilities. Outdoor training and public space utilization are emphasized as strategies to broaden participation and maintain Parkour’s original roots.

Another topic highlights the role of community leaders in shaping public perception of Parkour. Positive engagement with local governments, schools, and community centers can open doors to wider recognition and acceptance. Initiatives such as after-school programs and collaboration with recreation departments are presented as effective ways to expand outreach. The importance of coaching standards, insurance, and building relationships with diverse groups is also underlined as key to sustainable growth.

Takeaways

Building diverse communities — Inclusion and diversity benefit both the Parkour community and business interests.

Gym-only models — Limiting Parkour to gyms excludes large segments of the population and reduces growth potential.

Public space use — Training outdoors fosters visibility, normalizes Parkour, and improves public perception.

Community engagement — Partnerships with schools, recreation departments, and community centers expand reach and deepen community ties.

Coaching and standards — Developing coaching skills and engaging with certifications enhances professionalism and safety.

Insurance barriers — Finding insurance for outdoor training remains a challenge but is critical for growth beyond gym walls.

Urban integration — Viewing Parkour as part of the urban fabric encourages outreach in varied settings beyond major cities.

Long-term perception — Positive public behavior directly influences Parkour’s reputation and future opportunities.

Resources

Parkour Generations — Organization involved in Parkour coaching, events, and leadership.

Art of Retreat — The leadership and education retreat for the Parkour community.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Alan Tran | Peer Pressure

April 15, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Alan Tran | Peer Pressure

How can movement practices, such as Parkour, enhance social connection and communication through exercises involving eye contact, physical touch, and shared space?

Parkour coaches can deepen their practice by incorporating elements of Tai Chi, dance, and breath-work to foster social awareness.

I wanted to bring this to Art of Retreat because social connection is so powerful, on our mental health, on relationships, on our happiness. I want to share and see how coaches can build a stronger connection for their communities, their students, their peers. And it can be as simple as eye contact or a high five or a hug.

~ Alan Tran (23:41)

The conversation explores the intersection between movement practices like Parkour and social connection. It highlights how physical exercises involving eye contact and partner interaction can reveal hidden boundaries and deepen interpersonal communication. A particular focus is placed on how different modalities, including dance, breath-work, and Tai Chi, can integrate into Parkour to enhance awareness and foster stronger community ties.

There is also discussion around cultural and gender-based differences in how people approach exercises involving physical touch and personal space. The challenges faced when presenting these concepts to different demographics, including at-risk youth, emphasize the importance of social context in movement training. These reflections demonstrate how movement can transcend physical boundaries to facilitate emotional growth and community bonding.

Takeaways

Simple eye contact in movement — Transmits significant unspoken information and alters partner dynamics.

Gender differences in space — Male participants often hold back more than female participants during physical proximity exercises.

Movement as social connection — Sessions on touch and eye contact highlight the importance of social engagement in physical training.

Cultural variations — Comfort with physical proximity varies between participants from different regions, influencing their engagement.

Touch as a practice — Teaching touch sensitivity and awareness improves not just movement, but broader interpersonal skills.

Resources

Alan Tran @alanstran

Enso Movement — Alan Tran’s Parkour gym and movement training space.

Art of Retreat — Annual Parkour leadership and education retreat.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Paula Flinn | Neurodiversity & Inclusivity

April 8, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Paula Flinn | Neurodiversity & Inclusivity

How can communities and practices like Parkour better support and include neurodivergent individuals?

Understanding neurodiversity challenges long-held assumptions about disability and the value of different cognitive experiences.

Freedom means acceptance. When I feel free, I feel accepted, I feel that I can take up space and be myself.

~ Paula Flinn (27:01)

The conversation highlights the intersection of neurodiversity and physical movement disciplines, particularly Parkour. The discussion covers the fundamental misunderstanding of neurodivergent individuals and the social barriers they face. Parkour is presented as a medium that allows neurodivergent individuals to engage in free, non-competitive movement, providing a sense of autonomy and community.

Another focal point is the shift from a medical to a social model of disability, advocating for inclusive environments that acknowledge diverse cognitive experiences. This shift reframes disability as a result of environmental and societal barriers rather than individual deficits. The conversation touches on personal stories and broader systemic issues, including ableism and the importance of connection and acceptance.

Takeaways

Neurodiversity as Fact — The diversity of human minds is a biological reality, not a concept or trend.

Shift in Disability Perspective — Disability can be viewed as a social issue shaped by the environment rather than an individual’s deficits.

Parkour as Inclusive Space — The freedom, creativity, and autonomy in Parkour align well with the needs of neurodivergent individuals.

Challenges of Ableism — Deeply embedded ableism in society makes it difficult to change perspectives on disability.

Value of Connection — Inclusivity thrives on connection and understanding, beyond just ticking diversity checkboxes.

Resources

Perth Parkour on Facebook — Community organization supporting Parkour practice in Perth.

Women of Perth Parkour @womenofperthparkour — Group focused on women and non-binary inclusion in Parkour.

Nick Walker’s Work — Scholarly articles on neurodiversity and the social model of disability.

Art of Retreat

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Charles St John | Progress Your Fitness by Playing with Intent

April 1, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Charles St John | Progress Your Fitness by Playing with Intent

How can play-based frameworks enhance fitness training and skill development by fostering engagement, self-efficacy, and creativity?

By focusing on improvisation, individuals can elevate their confidence and ownership of movement, transforming their practice beyond rigid techniques.

Improvisation necessitates self efficacy. If you’re really trying to curate somebody that owns their practice, and is confident in their abilities […] that’s where it becomes playful in nature.

~ Charles St John (12:43)

The conversation explores the application of structured play in fitness environments, focusing on how six specific intentions—mimicry, creativity, collaboration, integration, execution, and improvisation—drive skill acquisition and community engagement. By intentionally shaping the type of play during training sessions, instructors can foster deeper self-efficacy, enhance retention, and create more engaging environments.

Topics discussed include the benefits of mimicry to lower barriers for beginners, the role of competitive play in pushing personal limits, and the transformative power of improvisation to cultivate confidence and adaptability. The conversation also touches on how playful frameworks can extend beyond Parkour and benefit broader fitness communities.

Takeaways

Mimicry — Simplifies learning by allowing participants to follow and observe.

Improvisation — Develops confidence and ownership over movement.

Collaboration — Strengthens community bonds and social health during fitness training.

Competition — Drives growth by encouraging participants to push beyond their limits.

Execution — Focuses on consistency and mastery of specific skills through repetition.

Integration — Highlights the importance of transitions between movements.

Resources

Apex School of Movement — Parkour school where Charles St. John coaches.

Art of Retreat — The organization hosting the retreat discussed.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Garrett Moore | Teaching Beginners

March 25, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Garrett Moore | Teaching Beginners

How can personal storytelling be used as a tool to motivate others to take action and drive community change?

One individual’s experience with chronic pain and Parkour became the catalyst for teaching others to harness their stories for change.

It’s the classic challenge of anyone who’s trying to organize at the grassroots level for any societal change: How to build enough of a consensus amongst a large enough group of people. […] You have to find the group that shares your common values.

~ Garrett Moore (12:07)

The conversation explores the application of personal storytelling as a tool to drive collective action, particularly within the Parkour community. Garrett details his experience leading a workshop at Art of Retreat. He recounts how his session, designed to teach the power of personal narratives in inspiring social change, led to unexpected levels of participant engagement, with multiple attendees voluntarily sharing personal stories long after the session had concluded.

The conversation expands to include broader topics, such as the importance of honesty and vulnerability in leadership, the challenges of grassroots organizing, and the relevance of these skills in non-political spaces. There is also discussion about the intersection of movement practice and social activism, with reflections on how Parkour communities can benefit from organizational tools commonly used in electoral and nonprofit campaigns.

Takeaways

Personal narrative — Sharing personal stories can motivate others to take meaningful action.

Community action — Grassroots organizing benefits from shared values and collective storytelling.

Workshop engagement — A successful session can spark spontaneous participant involvement beyond the planned agenda.

Leadership vulnerability — Acknowledging personal nervousness or imperfection fosters a stronger connection with audiences.

Broader applications — Storytelling tools developed for political campaigns can drive change in local communities and niche groups.

Resources

Garrett Moore @garrett_moves

Art of Retreat — Parkour leadership and education retreat where the workshop took place.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Rafe Kelley | The Adaptive Athlete

March 18, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Rafe Kelley | The Adaptive Athlete

How can ecological dynamics and adaptive learning principles enhance movement training and skill development?

Skilled athletes show more variability in their movement patterns, contradicting the idea that precision comes from rigid consistency.

What matters isn’t that you did a jump. It’s what the jump did for you. So that’s the first realization. And once you make that realization, then the way that you look at it changes.

~ Rafe Kelley (14:52)

The conversation explores the application of ecological dynamics and adaptive learning in movement training. Rafe explains how human movement is not mechanical but emerges from the interaction between the body and its environment. He emphasizes that movement training should focus on fostering adaptability by creating environments where athletes self-organize solutions to physical challenges, rather than relying solely on prescriptive coaching.

A significant part of the discussion centers on the emotional and social dimensions of training. Rafe highlights how effective coaching requires not only designing physical tasks but also cultivating supportive emotional spaces that encourage growth. He shares stories of students whose personal growth through movement translated into other areas of life, reinforcing the broader value of movement practices as tools for character development.

Takeaways

Movement practice serves personal growth — The goal is not the jump itself but the transformation that occurs through achieving it.

Ecological dynamics shapes learning — Adaptive movement stems from interaction with the environment, fostering natural self-organization.

Emotional space in coaching — Creating a supportive environment allows athletes to thrive and explore beyond physical limitations.

Variability is key to mastery — Skilled athletes demonstrate variability in their movement paths, showing adaptability rather than strict repetition.

Storytelling enhances teaching — Sharing personal stories and experiences deepens the impact of lessons and connects with students on a human level.

Social connection strengthens practice — Incorporating partner-based or group training creates relational growth alongside physical development.

Insight generation through journaling — Reflecting on training experiences solidifies lessons and integrates personal growth.

Resources

Evolve Move Play — Rafe Kelley’s website featuring workshops, podcasts, and movement resources.

Art of Retreat — Information about the event series focused on Parkour leadership and education.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Brandee Laird | On Self-Altruism, Parkour, and Being Useful

March 11, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Brandee Laird | On Self-Altruism, Parkour, and Being Useful

How can the Parkour community cultivate and apply altruism in meaningful and practical ways beyond the physical discipline?

Altruism in Parkour is re-examined as a willingness to make someone else’s problem your own.

The first place, and the most important place, it comes out in my daily life is a willingness. It’s a willingness to make someone else’s problem, my problem. And that to me is what altruism is. It’s making other people’s problems, my problem.

~ Brandee Laird (3:06)

The conversation explores the evolving understanding of altruism within the Parkour community. Emphasis is placed on the idea that altruism involves making someone else’s problem your own, extending the principle of “be strong to be useful” into daily life. This involves recognizing and acting on opportunities to help others, even in seemingly mundane scenarios.

Topics covered include empathy, the role of fear in preventing action, and how values like honesty and awareness can drive altruistic behavior. The Parkour community’s approach to litter and environmental responsibility serves as an example of how physical practice can intersect with social contribution. There is also discussion about expanding leadership and instilling a broader sense of responsibility in younger practitioners.

Takeaways

Altruism in Parkour — Making others’ problems your own is central to practicing altruism in daily life.

Empathy and Action — Empathy alone is not enough; the will to act must follow recognition of need.

Leadership Development — The Parkour community is focusing more on creating leaders and fostering values-driven growth.

Leave No Trace — Environmental responsibility is integrated into Parkour events and training.

Expanding Usefulness — Parkour skills can translate into broader life contributions through awareness and presence.

Resources

Brandee Laird @monkeemoves

Art of Retreat — The leadership and education retreat where the conversation took place.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Tyson Cecka | NERDYmade

March 4, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Tyson Cecka | NERDYmade

How can the design and construction of Parkour obstacles and spaces influence training, creativity, and safety?

Designing Parkour spaces involves balancing permanence with adaptability to maximize creative potential and safety.

[… What] makes it really tricky with Parkour obstacles is that we adapt to the spaces that we’re in. We adapt really well to the spaces that we’re in. And so you don’t necessarily know what’s missing, or what might change when that space changes or improves in some way. I feel that you really need to continually challenge yourself in coming up with new ideas or trying out new things. Because you will be extremely surprised sometimes by how much potential that offers up.

~ Tyson Cecka (11:10)

The conversation explores the intricate process of designing and building Parkour obstacles and spaces, emphasizing the role of adaptability, safety, and creativity. There is a focus on how portable obstacles can evolve over time, providing a dynamic and ever-changing training environment. This contrasts with permanent structures that, while durable, may limit creative exploration once their design becomes familiar.

A key point of discussion is the importance of fastening and securing materials like plywood to ensure the structural integrity of obstacles. Tyson highlights how beginners often overlook these details, leading to potential failures or unstable equipment. The dialogue also touches on the value of fostering a community of builders who can share experiences, troubleshoot problems, and inspire new designs through collaborative learning.

Takeaways

Portable obstacles — Enable evolving and adaptable training environments that keep athletes engaged.

Plywood fastening — Essential for ensuring the stability and longevity of Parkour structures, often overlooked by beginners.

Community collaboration — A supportive builder community accelerates learning and design innovation.

Dynamic design — Spaces that shift and change encourage creativity and long-term engagement.

Beginner considerations — Well-built, stable obstacles enhance confidence and facilitate smoother progression for newcomers.

Resources

Tyson Cecka’s @tysoncecka

Sturdy Made (Facebook Group) — Online community for Parkour builders to share ideas, projects, and plans.

Art of Retreat — Annual Parkour leadership and education event where the conversation took place.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Dan Edwardes | Creating a Culture of Excellence

February 26, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Dan Edwardes | Creating a Culture of Excellence

How can individuals develop a personal culture of excellence that enhances their leadership, goals, and daily habits?

Personal habits and daily customs shape success more than ideas or intentions.

So a lot of this stuff is about identifying why aren’t we fixing these things? Why are we carrying on with these bad habits? When, you know, they’re bad habits? They’re not helping you. And why aren’t you changing it?

~ Dan Edwardes (4:36)

The conversation centers around developing personal excellence by cultivating better habits and self-awareness. Dan emphasizes that personal culture—daily customs and habits—determines success more than external goals or beliefs. The discussion highlights that leaders often know what they need to improve but fail to implement changes without a structured plan. By focusing on small, consistent steps, individuals can build lasting momentum that fosters larger transformations over time.

Another key theme is the importance of self-care as the foundation for leadership and goal achievement. Neglecting self-care can undermine professional success, and Dan draws parallels with athletes and entrepreneurs, showing how each group handles this differently. The conversation stresses the importance of personal reflection and recommends small, actionable changes that compound into significant progress.

Takeaways

Self-care as foundational — Prioritizing self-care is essential for sustaining personal and professional success.

Small, consistent actions — Incremental changes lead to lasting improvements and create upward spirals of growth.

Leadership as coaching — Effective leadership involves guiding others through questions rather than dictating solutions.

Culture of accountability — Building team habits around excellence, like those of the All Blacks rugby team, fosters long-term success.

Judgment and empathy — Reducing judgment and practicing empathy enhances leadership and personal well-being.

Personal values — Understanding and reinforcing personal values drive consistent improvement and align actions with goals.

Resources

Dan Edwardes’ Website — Personal site for contacting Dan Edwardes and exploring his work.

Parkour Generations — Organization founded by Dan Edwardes offering coaching, certifications, and events.

Art of Retreat — A leadership and education retreat for Parkour and movement practitioners.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Kyle Koch | Nature Health and Movement

February 19, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Kyle Koch | Nature Health and Movement

How can connecting with nature through movement and sensory experiences improve overall well-being and personal growth?

Connecting with nature can transform your health and mindset by simply spending time outdoors without distractions.

I believe in becoming the more heroic version of yourself. Movement and nature are key.

~ Kyle Koch (6:09)

The conversation highlights the importance of reconnecting with nature and movement as pathways to physical and mental well-being. It explores how modern life often limits sensory engagement and dynamic movement, which can negatively impact health. Simple actions such as stepping outside, observing greenery, and allowing oneself to be present can lower stress and improve eyesight.

The discussion touches on how nature remains present even in urban environments, subtly integrated into cityscapes. Practices such as walking, sitting in outdoor spaces, or even engaging in Parkour within natural settings can reshape awareness and resilience. Kyle emphasizes that movement in unpredictable outdoor environments fosters adaptability and enhances physical health.

Takeaways

Movement through nature — Engaging with natural environments fosters adaptability and resilience.

Outdoor sensory experience — Simple exposure to greenery can lower stress and improve health.

Urban wildlife — Nature adapts to cityscapes, remaining present even in unexpected urban spaces.

Restoring eyesight — Looking at distant natural views can reduce nearsightedness.

Small consistent practices — Spending 15 minutes outdoors daily can yield long-term health benefits.

Resources

Trotting Sparrow @trottingsparrow

Art of Retreat — The event where the conversation took place, focusing on Parkour leadership and education.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Angel Griffin | Performance 101

February 12, 2020

On Castbox.fm — Angel Griffin | Performance 101

How can gym owners effectively create and manage performance teams that provide opportunities for athletes to grow and succeed in professional environments?

Building a performance team can transform a gym’s visibility and offer athletes pathways into professional arenas like Cirque du Soleil and stunt shows.

We live on the policy of, push our coaches to be the best that they can possibly be.

~ Angel Griffin (5:15)

The conversation explores the process of creating and managing performance teams within gym environments. Angel shares insights from her experience directing Firestorm Talent and Entertainment, emphasizing the importance of defining goals before launching performance initiatives. She outlines paths gym owners might take, such as raising community awareness, generating income, or offering new channels for coaches and students to develop.

Angel discusses how performance teams provide opportunities for athletes to transition into professional careers, citing successful placements in Cirque du Soleil and stunt shows. The conversation highlights the significance of supporting coaches’ ambitions, even if it leads them to leave the gym, and underscores the importance of delegating leadership roles to passionate individuals to ensure performance teams thrive without compromising gym operations.

Takeaways

Building community awareness — A performance team can increase visibility and attract new gym members.

Professional pathways — Athletes can transition into professional careers with proper guidance, including resumes, headshots, and demo reels.

Delegation and leadership — Gym owners should delegate performance team management to passionate individuals to avoid spreading themselves too thin.

Coaching retention — Supporting coaches’ personal goals often leads to long-term benefits for the gym and community.

Simple starting points — Birthday parties and small performances provide accessible entry points to build a performance team.

Clear goals — Defining the purpose behind starting a performance team is crucial for success and direction.

Training for success — Teaching performance etiquette and backstage processes prepares athletes for professional environments.

Networking value — Connections in industries like Cirque du Soleil can create opportunities for athletes to achieve their dreams.

Resources

Firestorm Talent — The official website for Firestorm Talent and Entertainment, showcasing performances and services.

Firestorm Talent @firestormtalent

Art of Retreat — Official site for Art of Retreat, the event where this conversation took place.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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