Persistence with Bruce Devereux

How does persistence shape the creative and personal processes involved in podcasting?

Audio’s timeless richness offers a counterpoint to the overwhelming world of visual media.

Every time I finish an episode I step right back into my little recording booth and think, ‘What’s next?’ It sort of builds that cycle back up again. So that’s been a really positive experience.

~ Bruce Devereux (2:18)

The conversation explores the role of persistence in podcasting, reflecting on its significance in sustaining creative momentum and overcoming challenges. The discussion highlights the iterative process of producing episodes, where the cycle of finishing one and immediately conceptualizing the next becomes an energizing force. Persistence is seen not only as a key to podcasting success but also as a framework for managing the broader challenges of creative work.

Additionally, the conversation goes into the distinction between audio and visual storytelling, emphasizing audio’s unique ability to engage listeners in an immersive, focused experience. Bruce contrasts the richness of audio with the ubiquity of visual content, advocating for simplicity in both podcast production and lifestyle. Themes of managing creative thoughts, balancing personal input with guest presence, and crafting meaningful soundscapes also emerge, painting a holistic picture of the podcasting journey.

Takeaways

Persistence as a foundation — Sustains creative momentum and fuels the iterative cycle of podcast production.

Audio’s unique appeal — Offers a deeply immersive experience compared to the saturation of visual media.

Balancing personal and guest input — Reflects the challenge of deciding how much of oneself to include in creative work.

Creative simplicity — Minimalist approaches enhance focus and manage mental overload during the process.

Nature as a refuge — Provides a means to reset and manage the mental demands of production.

Crafting sound environments — Focuses on creating immersive and engaging audio spaces for listeners.

Resources

HowSound Podcast — A show exploring the craft of audio storytelling and production.

Transom.org — A resource hub for audio producers and storytellers.

Audio Playground — A creative audio prompt-based project for honing production skills.

Hindenburg — Audio editing software mentioned as a tool for podcast production.

David Attenborough’s work — Recognized for its inspiring narrative style and immersive production quality.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Corning Museum of Glass

In the past, I’ve enjoyed posting these sort of photo essays. (For example, there are several of them from a 2014 adventure in Colorado.) The hard part, of course, is getting somewhere and taking the photos.

Back in August, we spent a half-day at the Corning Museum of Glass, in Corning, New York. (Yes, the Corning, New York, of Corning Ware repute.) It turns out that Corning is quite the hot spot—sorry, couldn’t resist—for glass work in general. To wit:

If you’re going to make a gallery for displaying glass, this is the way to do it. More glass than not in the ceiling with hung-vertically dividers; The entire space is flooded with natural light, but you don’t see the light’s source, unless you look straight up. The ceiling is flat; the space is not rectangular.

Note the three “trees” at the far end of the room. They are not what they appear to be.

In another space, just around the corner…

Murano, as in the islands in Venice, Italy. In the top-right of that Carrion’s photo, you can see this piece…

And this sphere, for which I neglected to snap the description. It’s composed of folded ribbons of glass, and it’s appearance is the same whatever direction you look at it. There’s a bright, omni-directional light inside. The glass wall behind the piece extends the entire height of the building, not just the floor of this gallery. There’s an applique that is about half-round holes, half opaque white—so the outside world is visible curiously obscured as if by fog.

Hey, I’m pretty good at this photo essay stuff! Not. The trick it to have spectacular things to photograph. Like this iconic piece by Dale Chihuly. It’s “simply” hundreds of similarly blow glass pieces which are individually, (each has a hole in the interior end,) slid onto the countless small pins sticking out of the central armature.

In another gallery, there were countless, large cases with displays like this, where I kept going, “wat? holy crap!” (I’d make a great, R-rated, museum tour guide.)

Really. Holy crap!

Finally, I’ll leave you with this piece. (I have photos of many more, and there were thousands of things I gaped at and didn’t photograph.) This was very difficult to capture in photographs. There are two, four-legged figures inside this case. They have legs made from square-sided bottles. The two figures are similar, but not identical, and are posed marching, one after the other. I’ve taken a photo from before them, looking past them on one side and the other. The case is a size that you could put your hands on either end and is in a darkened area in the museum. There are only two figures in the case— everything else is repeated, internal reflections…

In summary: WOW.

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Attitude and assessment

It seems likely that Jack Sparrow’s admonishment about attitude is an echo of Aurelius’s reminder to himself two thousand years earlier. This idea that the attitude and assessment is most important has really helped me relax. Things will never be done, and I create all of my problems. I’ve come to understand that concrete goals and clear progress are detrimental to my health. They’re necessary, yes, but detrimental. The more goals I set, the more clear progress I can measure, the worse off I become; Mentally and physically those things grind me down.

Since they’re necessary—without them, it seems I’d simply devolve to being a blob on a sofa—I must have something in my life which counters the damage so that I can continue setting some sane number of goals and measuring some concrete progress. One of those things is practicing my attitude and assessment. I set aside time for this each morning. It’s not meant to take long. 15 minutes is really long enough. I read through a prompt from a set that I’ve created for myself. I read through a selection from some key books. I write in my journal, usually copying a single new quote from my collection as the beginning of the journal entry. I write some thoughts. I write some observations from the previous day.

Unfortunately, just about every morning, my urge—affliction? addiction?—to measure and create goals creeps into my morning reflection. Why am I taking all this time? (I’m up to something like 4,000 hand-written pages of journals!) Am I getting benefit from all this reflection? What’s the optimum “dosage” of reflection which yields the most benefit? How do I even measure the benefit? Is that page—that one I just wrote, an instant before these questions pop into my mind—worth writing? If I read that page in a year, will it in any way help me? Is the entry for today long enough? Should it have more “here’s what I did yesterday,” type stuff, or less? Maybe I should be also making a small note on my mood, or how I feel physically? Maybe I should… Oh, crap.

Close the journal, and go on with today!

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How hard can it be with Kate Field

What motivates someone to transition to farming and podcasting, and how do these pursuits interconnect with larger societal and environmental issues?

Discover how personal passion for storytelling evolves into impactful podcasting about regenerative farming.

We sort of got to this point in our careers and we just looked at each other and went, ‘Oh, this is not fulfilling.’

~ Kate Field (7:50)

The discussion explores a transition from urban life and academic careers to a rural farming lifestyle, driven by dissatisfaction with consumer culture and a desire for meaningful, fulfilling work. Kate describes the initial challenges of establishing a farm, including the hard labor and the steep learning curve. She shares how cheesemaking became a practical entry point into farming and an opportunity to align their values with their lifestyle.

The conversation touches on broader themes such as the importance of sustainable farming practices, the environmental impact of agriculture, and the misconceptions surrounding food production. Kate emphasizes the role of agriculture in addressing climate change and how their podcast helps amplify this message. She also discusses the social transformation that comes with rural living, highlighting the strength of local community bonds and how these relationships differ from those in urban settings.

Takeaways

The significance of curiosity and connection — Podcasting is a way to explore ideas and engage with others in meaningful conversations.

The true cost of food — Many people misunderstand how much effort, resources, and environmental considerations go into producing food.

Climate change and agriculture — Sustainable farming has a crucial role in mitigating climate change, contrary to some narratives blaming agriculture.

Rural versus urban social dynamics — Moving to a rural area fosters stronger community bonds compared to urban living.

Challenges of farming — Starting and maintaining a farm requires immense labor, infrastructure investment, and long-term perseverance.

Value of storytelling — Sharing personal experiences through podcasting helps bridge the gap between producers and consumers.

Resources

Farming for the Future Podcast — The speaker’s podcast focusing on sustainable and regenerative farming.

Australian Government Climate Change Information — Provides insights into agricultural impacts on climate change.

Cheesemaking Courses in Tasmania — Resource for learning about artisan cheesemaking.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Leading with Johanna Patrice Hagarty

What role does podcasting play in fostering creativity, community, and economic development?

Podcasting emerges as a bridge between personal creativity and broader economic impact.

My business website is art hero dot biz and if you show up there the very first thing it says is making business fun is a rebellious act.

~ Johanna Patrice Hagarty (14:49)

The conversation centers on the intersection of podcasting, creativity, and community building. It highlights podcasting as a platform for storytelling and thought leadership, enabling meaningful conversations and fostering economic development in creative industries. Johanna discusses the value of using podcasting to share diverse stories, especially those of artists and art professionals, and emphasizes the importance of collaboration in sustaining creative projects.

Another key topic is the practicality of podcasting. Tools and strategies, such as batching episodes and leveraging support from teams, are shared to streamline the process. Johanna explains how her work integrates podcasting with broader goals in creative business coaching and economic development, aiming to make business fun and accessible while building community and creating impact.

Takeaways

The significance of thought leadership — Podcasting as a way to lead conversations and drive change in communities and industries.

The diversity of creative voices — Artists, writers, musicians, and professionals share unique perspectives through podcast platforms.

Practical strategies for podcasting — Tips like batching episodes and exploring supportive tools to maintain consistency.

The integration of audio and creativity — How audio formats open up new opportunities for different types of creators.

Collaboration in creative endeavors — Building a supportive network is essential for sustaining long-term projects.

The authenticity of audio platforms — Apps like Clubhouse facilitate genuine, informal interactions.

Economic development through creativity — Leveraging creative projects like podcasts to drive business growth and innovation.

Resources

Art Hero — A business website focusing on making business fun and accessible for artists.

The Joanna Patrice Haggerty Show — A podcast hosted on Biz Radio Asheville focusing on creative professionals.

Clubhouse — An audio-only social platform fostering authentic conversations.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Evaporation

This was a sample data set from 1996 through mid-2019, but maybe the most shocking number is the 2018 one: after just a year, one in every sixteen links from the Times’ website to an external source had stopped working. The Times already has an attribution problem; this just makes it worse. The researchers point out that URLs within U.S. Supreme Court opinions fare even worse, with about half of links not working as originally intended.

~ Nick Heer from, The Collective and Rotting Hallucination That Is the Internet – Pixel Envy

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I’m not picking on the Times nor the Supreme Court, link rot is everywhere. Heer does a nice job of laying out what’s really going on; it’s not just that the links are ceasing to work, but also that the actual contents of digital stuff is changing. (And that’s all in addition to problems with data corruption and degradation.) However, his article is really about highlighting some of the neat things people are doing to preserve things. It’s worth clicking through just for the anecdote about how “Nookd” curiously appears in one edition of War and Peace.

And on the other hand, we’re all painfully aware that our lives are becoming more public and we’re losing our privacy. If you put it anywhere on the Internet, we can generalize and assume it’s eventually going to become public. In some cases, it’d be exactly what we want for things to rot— or maybe it’d be better to say:

In some cases, it’d be exactly what we want for things on the Internet to evaporate.

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Merlin Mann

Some time around 2005—if memory serves, which it probably doesn’t—I discovered the work and blogging of Merlin Mann. Back then, he was neck-deep in a project called 43 Folders: Time, Attention, and Creative Work. It’s self-described as, “[a] website about finding the time and attention to do your best creative work.” The first post there is dated 2004, and the last is gloriously frozen in place from 2011.

There are so many things to mention about that project. Ahhhhhhh, the halcyon days when we all thought “website” was a cool word. (I’m now in the “web site” encampment.) Mann is the guy who, for better [my opinion] or worse [many others’ option], brought “inbox zero” to everyone’s awareness. He also spent years experimenting with processes, and I went on a magical, multi-year journey experimenting with something called the “hipster PDA.” If forced to choose, I’d say Mann is the guy who most greatly influenced my process thinking.

There’s a phrase in cooking, mise en place, meaning to have everything in its proper place before starting. (The classic example of failure in this regard is to be half-way through making something only to realize you’re missing an ingredient and having to throw away the food.)

Well Mann is the guy who—in my opinion—has done the most to improve processes for knowledge workers and creative people. I’m not sure if he’s ever said it explicitly, but a huge part of what he did was to elevate knowledge workers and creatives by cultivating a mise en place mindset.

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Organic

But then I realized a larger, unsettling truth: Much of the food grown in this country isn’t the medicine it should—or used—to be. We’re collectively getting sicker, not healthier. And for others to have the same healing I was privileged to experience; we must start with the soil.

As a man named J.I. Rodale once said:

“Healthy Soil = Healthy Food = Healthy People.”

~ Jeff Tkach from, Our Healing Begins in the Soil – Rodale Institute

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When you’re growing up, you don’t really notice where you are doing it. Your parents, (or legal guardian(s) or perhaps even the State,) chose where you were planted. Bereshith, you’re planted in a very tiny space, then gradually moved to progressively larger spaces with fewer physical boundaries. Until one day you realize there’s basically no one left telling you what to do nor where to do it. If you never really thought about it, and nothing forced you to move, you’re probably still close to that original very tiny space, and probably still close to the progressively larger spaces too.

Then one day—I really do hope—you start to wonder what’s happened before, in the wherever you are now. I’ve a litany of, “woa, that’s cool!” historical bits and pieces found in my surrounds. But that the idea of “organic”—all of it, the word, the principles, everything—originated with one guy, within walking distance of my home, that’s sort of amazing. Rodale, (the family members, and the eponymous companies,) have done a lot—some good, some bad—but I find it unsurprising they did it here, in the Lehigh Valley. There’s a lot this area has going for it.

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Flow with Claudia Velandia

How does the creative process of hosting a podcast foster meaningful connections and insights for both the host and listeners?

The exchange examines the balance between preparation and spontaneity in meaningful dialogue.

The intention of the podcast was always just listening to flow. Let’s allow the creativity to flow through us. So now sometimes when we are so focused on our mind about what is next, what’s going to be said next, and planning ahead, we close ourselves to the possibility of allowing for the insights that can come from a deeper place, more wisdom that can bring more light to the conversation.

~ Claudia Velandia (1:46)

The conversation explores the creative dynamics of podcasting, emphasizing the role of flow and intentionality. Claudia describes how her podcast began as a way to capture the insightful, spontaneous conversations she shared with friends. Over time, the podcast evolved to include guests whose journeys provide value to listeners. She reflects on the challenges of staying present and resisting the urge to overly plan, as such planning can limit the emergence of deeper insights and wisdom.

Claudia shares how setting intentions before recording helps create an open and authentic environment. She discusses how mindfulness practices, such as meditating and grounding oneself, foster connection and creativity. The discussion also touches on broader themes of success, which Claudia defines as staying aligned with her purpose and enjoying the process. She emphasizes that even a single listener connecting with the podcast’s message makes the effort worthwhile, reinforcing her commitment to creating meaningful content.

Takeaways

The importance of flow in conversations — Allowing spontaneity and creativity to emerge can lead to deeper insights.

The role of intentionality — Setting clear intentions shapes the tone and outcome of interactions.

Staying present — Being mindful during a conversation creates a stronger connection with guests.

Evolving creative projects — Starting with personal inspiration can lead to broader engagement and impact.

Redefining success — Success can be measured by alignment with one’s values rather than external metrics.

Mindfulness practices — Techniques like meditation help in grounding and setting the stage for meaningful work.

The power of small audiences — Even reaching a single person meaningfully validates the effort of creation.

Resources

Wake Up: How to Get Out of Your Mind, Stop Living on Autopilot, and Start Choosing Your Best Life — A book written by the guest that reflects her approach to intentional living and personal development.

The Art of Living Podcast — The guest’s podcast exploring meaningful conversations and personal growth.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Lulled into a trap

We tend to think that what we see is all there is — that there is nothing we cannot see. We know it isn’t true when we stop and think, yet we still get lulled into a trap of omniscience.

~ Shane Parrish from, The Island of Knowledge: Science and the Meaning of Life

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Admiral Ackbar called it correctly in Return of the Jedit, and this too is a trap. There are many paths to the top of the mountain, but they are generally of two types: the harder, science ways, and the softer, experiential ways. Both of those types have their traps. If one is strictly a follower of the hard, science paths up the mountain, one will be lulled into this trap of faux omniscience. And if one is a strict follower of the soft, experiential paths, one will be lulled into a trap of… well, I’ve not travelled much on those paths. My prescription is those travelers would do well to try these hard, science paths more. Therefore, I should try those soft, experiential paths more.

Which path are you currently on, and do you have a pattern of choosing one type over the other?

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Like waves crashing on the beach

It isn’t clear why you’ve been sent back. Maybe it was a cosmic accounting error, or a boon from a playful God. All you know is that you’re here again, walking the earth, having been inexplicably returned to the temporary and mysterious state of Being Alive.

~ David Cain from, How to Remember You’re Alive

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But first, pardon me while I get a song stuck in your head… like, all-day stuck.

She could hear the cars roll by
Out on 441
Like waves crashin’ on the beach
And for one desperate moment there
He crept back in her memory
God it’s so painful
Something that’s so close
And still so far out of reach

~ Tom Petty, but you knew that

Tom Petty died in 2017—I hope that wasn’t a spoiler. It seems, based on my quick search, that his last public performance included this as the last song he performed. omg the feels. Stop, go watch that entire 7-minute video. If that doesn’t move you…

There’s a moment late in the video where the jumbo-screen behind them says, “without YOU, there’d be no US” — or something close to that second part, it’s obscured. I think that points to something exceptional about TPatHB. Forty years, and grateful for the experience of that specific night.

Now, reread the pull-quote and then read Cain’s suggested practice.

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Patterns where there are none

Last week, one of your fellow readers hit reply—replies come directly to my personal email box—and shared some thoughts about connections and interesting juxtapositions in the week’s email. After I pointed out that the patterns they commented on, were simply a byproduct of how I write and how the email is assembled automatically, they rightly observed, “Lol, humans finding patterns where they don’t exist. A timeless classic.” I completely agree, and our power of pattern-finding is an awesome tool.

I was reading, and found a new-to-me Einstein quote. (You’ll find it soon, some time in February.) When I capture a quote from someone already in my collection, I have to check; There are ~800 quotes these days and sometimes I “find” one I’ve forgotten. (Surprisingly though, I can usually tell on sight if it’s in the collection already.) This led me to a search for “einstein” here on the blog. (There’s also a tag for Albert Einstein, but the search nets more posts including those I failed to tag.) I found a quote already on the blog—but not the new one that prompted it all—that was so old, it wasn’t in my collection. I fixed that, leading to a very old blog post, with a very high slipbox address, 4a784: Part of a Whole. And also 4a789: Do You Have a Question? Those were posted in 2013.

They’re about curiosity and broadening our sphere of compassion. Which sounds a lot like my just-barely-one-year-old vision and mission.

My vision is a world where everyone can flourish. My mission is creating better conversations that spread understanding and compasion.

So, as a human here finding connections, that’s a breadcrumb from 8 years ago hinting at the path I took to today. Awesome.

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Embarking on writing

What’s it for?

For as long as I’ve been recording podcasts I’ve wanted to figure out how to learn more, and retain more, from the conversations. An audio recording of a good conversation can be a good experience for the listener; It can be good experiential learning. But the conversations contain so much more—facts sure, but also connections to other people, projects, stories, new perspectives, insights—which I know I’m missing. If something prompts my memory, I can recall the experience of the conversation, but everything else is either never learned, or if it was, I’ve subsequently lost it.

I’m reminded of…

If you remember what an author says, you have learned something from reading him. If what he says is true, you have even learned something about the world. But whether it is a fact about the book or a fact about the world that you have learned, you have gained nothing but information if you have exercised only your memory. You have not been enlightened. Enlightenment is achieved only when, in addition to knowing what an author says, you know what he means and why he says it.

~ Mortimer Adler, author of How to Read a Book, 1972

There are multiple levels of understanding and learning, contained in each conversation. At the root of my feeling that I’m missing out is the knowledge that I’m only retaining the most-superficial level of the experience.

Who’s it for?

It’s obviously for me. But by doing the writing in public everyone who finds a specific episode interesting would be able to capture and retain more of those “levels of experience” for themselves.

What does success look like?

As I mentioned, my urge to do something more with the conversations is not new. In the Movers Mindset project, I have already experimented with ways to enable others to get more from each conversation. Two efforts in particular are worth discussing.

First, I’ve pushed the concept of episode notes to the limits of sanity. We have guest images, embedded audio player, guest pull-quotes, transcript excerpts, highlights, and the entire thing is organized by chapters—the audio files have embedded chapter information if your player-app supports it. Each section is cross-linked to the corresponding part of the full transcript; The transcripts are organized into sections which are linked back to the episode’s page. This takes massive effort involving myself, Melissa, Rev.com, custom software, and hours of time. Here, take a look at, Selene Yeager: Menopause, Health, and Writing.

Second, I’ve created a tool which enables exploring the episodes. If you were looking closely at Selene’s episode notes, you’ve seen one part of this already. The tool enables choosing a perspective, (for example, how did they answer the signature, three-words question,) and that perspective is dynamically inserted into the page that you saw. There are many other perspectives which you can interact with. (Imagine an old-fashioned, twist-adjustable kaleidoscope; the tool I built is the kaleidoscope and you’re pointing it at the entire Movers Mindset project.) If you want to try something mind-bending, take a look at, Exploring the Movers Mindset Project, where I explain it in more detail, and which includes embedded controls for playing with the current perspectives in real time.

Beyond those to efforts, I’ve always wanted to write something based on the Movers Mindset conversations. Unfortunately, they’re quite long adding to the difficulty of finding a “chunk” to work on. One of my goals in creating the Podcaster Community, was to create a short-form-conversations companion podcast. (Look for Podcaster Community wherever you listen, or you can play the episodes via embeds on the community’s forum.) Those conversations are targeted at 20 minutes which usually leads to a single, clear thread appearing in each episode. This gives me terrific material to work with as I explore how to get at the deeper levels of learning within each episode.

On July 15, 2021 I put up an article, On Storytelling, which is based on the first episode of the Podcaster Community’s companion show. That article was an experiment, and based on the responses it was a successful experiment.

Just figuring out how to write that article was an experiment. First I spent hours talking to various people about how to write an article from a conversation, and about what style, format and voice should be used in such an article. I tried a variety of tools for writing; Not simply “which text editor” but rather what process should I use. I tried: Listening and then starting with a blank page; Dumping the transcript into a spreadsheet (transcript in one column with a cell per block of dialog from each speaker) and converting each cell into corresponding prose in a second column; Working conceptually outwards to an outline of principles or topics, and then working back inwards to create prose. I eventually settled on a way to directly transform the raw transcript into a finished piece. Even though I’ve settled on a way to do it, it remains hard work. It took me three hours to write that experimental article. All of that to say: I’ve only done one, but I’m confident I can now do many more.

How many could I write? There are already 40+ episodes of the Podcaster Community’s show. I estimate there are 300 pieces of Movers Mindset episodes that could be articles. (Many episodes have 3+ threads of discussion, each the size of one of the Podcaster Community’s entire episodes.) I’ve also begun recording short-form-conversation episodes for Movers Mindset. With recording continuing across multiple projects, I have an effectively unlimited supply of raw material.

What’s the problem?

To free up enough time to write consistently, to make meaningful progress, my projects need to become a source of income for me. Movers Mindset has some patronage revenue, (you people are awesome,) and the Podcast Community has a core group of supporters, (also awesome,) which are covering its costs. But neither of them currently supports my life and creates space for this new writing.

My questions are…

Are the conversations valuable?

Would it be valuable to create articles from the conversations?

Would you be willing to support my writing efforts by supporting the Podcaster Community, or by supporing Movers Mindset?

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Joan Hanscom: Racing, Outreach, and Intense Passion

What makes bike racing a unique and transformative experience for individuals and communities?

Bike racing is Joan Hanscom’s life; from racing for fun, to professionally organizing races, to running an entire bike racing organization, Joan has done it all. She talks about all things bike racing; from how she got started, to organizing, to the challenges facing women in the sport. Joan discusses her work at the Valley Preferred Cycling Center, and the importance of outreach and the larger picture. She shares her insights on passion, training, podcasting, and what a career in the sport means to her.

As a person who’s had a career in bike racing since 2002, I was well versed in knowing what the velodrome was, and it was sort of an honor to be tasked with this role. If there’s one thing that I want the velodrome to be is, it’s fun, because that matters. But I also want it to be a place where little kids Pee Wee Pedalers, Squirts and Weebles Wobbles, all the way up to master’s racers, and everybody in between, elite or not, can come and have fun. To me, it’s a place where we can cultivate this lifelong enjoyment of the bike.

~ Joan Hanscom (20:53)

Joan Hanscom is a cyclist, podcast host, and the Executive Director at Valley Preferred Cycling Center. Her love of the sport helped her build a unique career in race promotion and production, working with organizations such as the US Gran Prix of Cyclocross, Cyclocross World Championships, and USA Cycling. Currently, Joan is the Executive Director of the Valley Preferred Cycling center in Trexlertown, Pa, and hosts the Talk of the T-Town podcast.

It’s the process. It’s the process, no matter what your pursuit is. If you are pursuing excellence in the ballet, it is repetition. It is absolutely repetition. The process of the ballet is every day, there’s a bar, there’s plies, there’s grand plies. There’s jete. It’s a repetition and it’s a process of perfection. Maybe ballet is skewed a little bit more towards perfection than other sports, but it is definitely a repetition and a process and a refinement that you do daily.

~ Joan Hanscom (42:50)

This conversation centers on the multifaceted world of cycling, highlighting its unique sensory and communal experiences. A core theme is the immersive nature of bike racing, from the visceral sounds and sights at the velodrome to the inclusive, community-focused atmosphere it fosters. Joan reflects on her lifelong passion for cycling, tracing it back to her childhood and describing how the sport bridges personal enjoyment and professional achievement. She shares her experiences in organizing races, engaging the local cycling community, and her work at the Valley Preferred Cycling Center, aiming to create an inclusive space for all cyclists, from children to elite athletes.

Another key discussion point is the systemic challenges in the sport, especially regarding women’s participation. Joan outlines how structural gaps, like fewer racing categories and opportunities for women, make progression difficult. She emphasizes the need for investment in underserved groups, stressing that fostering diversity and inclusion can strengthen the sport and grow its community. Alongside these insights, Joan connects cycling to broader values of process, repetition, and community building, drawing parallels to other disciplines like ballet and movement practices.

Takeaways

Creating inclusive cycling spaces — Efforts to address systemic challenges in women’s cycling highlight the importance of structured opportunities and community support.

The magic of the velodrome — The velodrome offers an unmatched sensory experience, combining sound, motion, and closeness to the action.

Community and connection — Cycling builds bridges across diverse groups, creating bonds between families, athletes, and local communities.

Repetition and mastery — The parallels between cycling, ballet, and other disciplines emphasize the value of process and refinement.

Economic potential of cycling — Integrating cycling with local tourism and community planning can make it an economic driver for regions like the Lehigh Valley.

Outreach challenges — Expanding cycling’s reach requires engaging new audiences and addressing modern distractions and competition.

Resources

Valley Preferred Cycling Center — The premier venue for track cycling in Trexlertown, PA, hosting programs for all ages and skill levels.

Podcast: Talk of T-Town

Discover Lehigh Valley — A regional tourism organization collaborating with cycling events to promote local attractions.

Rodale Institute — A partner organization focused on sustainable farming and preserving the scenic roads used by cyclists.

TrainingPeaks — A platform for planning and tracking structured training programs, mentioned for its role in athletic preparation.

Artemis Racing group; unique and thorough onboarding process, really made it accessible

Cycling museum in Belgium: Tour of Flanders Museum

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Feedback

One final note: say the obvious. Sometimes we might feel that something is obviously good or obviously wrong, and so we don’t say it. Or sometimes we might have a doubt that we don’t express because the question might sound stupid. Say it—that’s okay. You might have to reword it a little bit to make the reader feel more comfortable, but don’t hold it back. Good feedback is transparent, even when it may be obvious.

~ Erin Casali from, Asynchronous Design Critique: Giving Feedback – A List Apart

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If you are a human, and particularly if you ever interact with other humans, I think you’ll like this article by Casali. I’m a level-100 Technology Wizard with a sub-specialization in Explaining Things, and I found several insighs—e.g., “timing + attitude + form = respectful feedback”—that improved my integration of what I know about feedback.

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Longevity with Callum Powell

What insights can be gained from a 15-year journey with Parkour, including its challenges, influences, and personal growth?

Parkour becomes a lens to explore passion, longevity, and the evolution of personal practice.

The thing with Parkour, we don’t have enough money in our industry right now to care enough about rehab and pre-hab… strength and conditioning and everything.

~ Callum Powell (18:48)

The conversation focuses on Callum’s 15-year journey with Parkour, exploring how his passion has remained steadfast despite challenges. He discusses the balance between pursuing high-level skills and staying connected to the joy of movement. Injuries have played a significant role in shaping his approach, forcing him to listen to his body and adopt a more generalist mindset. This shift has led to a deeper appreciation for longevity and sustainability in practice.

Another key topic is the cultural and structural aspects of Parkour, including the lack of resources for injury prevention and recovery. Callum highlights his efforts to learn from other sports and share this knowledge with the Parkour community. Additionally, he reflect on the concepts of performance, play, and dedication, emphasizing the importance of adapting one’s goals over time to maintain passion and fulfillment.

Takeaways

Performance and play — The duality of structured skill progression and unstructured enjoyment enhances long-term practice.

Longevity in movement — A focus on listening to the body and adapting goals ensures sustainable engagement in Parkour.

Impact of injury — Challenges like back pain can lead to profound shifts in mindset and training philosophy.

Cultural growth — The Parkour community’s lack of resources for rehab and pre-hab presents opportunities for learning from other sports.

Role of identity — Letting go of peak-focused identities allows for more holistic and fulfilling movement experiences.

Sharing knowledge — Writing and teaching become powerful tools for giving back to the community.

Resources

Callum Powell @callumstorror

Chris Rowat’s “Dilution” — A foundational text mentioned for its enduring relevance to Parkour philosophy.

Parkour Generations — Organization influential in promoting longevity and education in movement.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Intuition with Curtis Cates

What are the challenges and opportunities of using different formats, such as podcasting and blogging, to express ideas and connect with an audience?

The conversation explores the connection between intuition and art as a means of personal discovery.

There is an understanding there. But that’s where intuition comes in. Your intuition understands art better than your logical mind does.

~ Curtis Cates (15:00)

The conversation examines the intersection of creativity and personality, with a focus on how personal traits influence the ways we communicate ideas. It touches on the challenges of moving from blogging to podcasting, emphasizing how the written and spoken word require different skills and mindsets. The discussion highlights how preparation, such as scripting, can bridge this gap for certain personality types.

Another key topic is the appreciation of art and the role of intuition in understanding it. The conversation critiques the barriers imposed by overly academic interpretations of art and advocates for a more personal, intuitive connection. This theme extends into the broader idea of connecting to oneself and others through creative expression. Curtis also shares insights into his podcasts and how these projects intertwine with his personal journey.

Takeaways

The role of personality types — The conversation discusses how introversion and extroversion affect creative work and interaction with audiences.

Differences in mediums — Challenges in transitioning from blogging to podcasting reveal key differences between written and spoken formats.

Art appreciation and intuition — The importance of intuition in understanding and enjoying art is emphasized, contrasting with academic approaches.

Connection to self through art — Art is presented as a means to explore and connect with one’s deepest self.

Preparation in podcasting — Scripting and structured preparation are identified as essential tools for certain creators.

Museums as a safe space — A personal connection to museums as comfortable and inspiring places is explored.

Resources

The Hansel and Gretel Code Podcast — A podcast exploring the depth and metaphors in the Hansel and Gretel fairy tale.

Cristo Dot Art Podcast — A podcast featuring conversations with artworks in museums.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Exploration with Leekei Tang

How can podcasting be used as a tool for exploration and growth in both personal and professional contexts?

A birthday gift to herself leads to a journey of podcasting without predefined goals.

The fashion business is mostly visual, so [podcasting is] not a medium for the fashion industry and it’s still not… but there are people that are more advanced, like in any sector, looking for new things.

~ Leekei Tang (11:45)

The conversation explores how podcasting can be used as a tool for personal exploration and professional growth. Starting as a birthday gift to herself, Leekei shares how she embarked on a podcasting journey without a defined goal, allowing her curiosity to guide her process. She reflects on her interest in audio storytelling, stemming from her love of radio and recording, and describes podcasting as a medium that facilitates sharing and connecting through stories.

The discussion also highlights her unique approach to podcasting in the fashion industry. Instead of focusing solely on fashion-related content, Leekei interviews people from diverse fields to draw parallels and insights applicable to purpose-driven businesses. She emphasizes the challenges of introducing audio into a visually dominated industry while identifying a niche audience eager for fresh perspectives. The conversation underscores the importance of discovering innovation at the intersections of seemingly unrelated stories.

Takeaways

Curiosity-driven podcasting — A podcast can start as a personal exploration with no specific goal.

Unconventional guest selection — Inviting guests from outside the industry enriches content with fresh perspectives.

Niche focus in a visual medium — Fashion remains a visual field, but niche audiences are open to exploring audio.

Storytelling techniques — Highlighting less-known aspects of a guest’s story adds value and uniqueness.

Intersection of ideas — Innovation often arises at the intersection of unrelated fields or perspectives.

Thematic connection for listeners — Structuring introductions helps audiences relate diverse topics to their interests.

Challenges of consistency — Regularly creating quality episodes demands time and effort, particularly in the learning phase.

Resources

David Nebinski — Mentioned as a leader in the Akimbo Podcast courses.

Seth Godin — Associated with the email that inspired her to start podcasting.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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Story with Diane Wyzga

What is the significance and impact of creating concise, structured storytelling through a podcast format?

A podcaster reflects on turning personal experiences into powerful 60-second stories.

The more that we compress what we want to say, how we want to say it into a shorter and shorter time structure, we have to be clear, concise, and cogent.

~ Diane Wyzga (6:45)

The discussion centers on the creative process and philosophy behind crafting 60-second podcast episodes. Diane explains how her journey began through a workshop led by Seth Godin, which emphasized immediate action and developing a podcast concept within strict time constraints. The format’s brevity requires clear, concise storytelling, which she uses to create meaningful content that resonates with listeners. The structure evolves into a system where episodes are themed by the day of the week, balancing lighthearted and reflective topics.

Themes of tension, vulnerability, and connection through storytelling are woven throughout the conversation. Diane emphasizes the importance of creating a space for listeners to reflect, engage, and see themselves in the narratives. She explores how constraints foster creativity and how storytelling, even in a brief format, can inspire change, provide comfort, and encourage introspection. The conversation concludes with reflections on the value of genuine dialogue and how it serves as a bridge for understanding.

Takeaways

The impact of constraints in storytelling — Compressing time and structure sharpens clarity and creativity in podcasting.

The evolution of a storytelling system — Structured themes for daily episodes enhance both creativity and consistency.

The role of vulnerability in content creation — Authenticity deepens the listener’s engagement and personal connection.

The universality of challenges — Sharing personal experiences fosters understanding and shared humanity.

The dynamic interplay of tension and structure — Tension, like in storytelling or material engineering, strengthens narratives and creates growth opportunities.

The importance of story as conversation — Storytelling bridges divides and connects people beyond transactional communication.

Resources

Seth Godin’s Podcasting Workshop — A workshop focused on empowering participants to create impactful podcasts.

Forward Link Platform — A platform mentioned for sharing podcast episodes during development.

(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)

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